Considering buying an Origin

Crazyraceguy

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As the title says, I have been thinking about getting an Origin for quite some time. My main concern is the learning curve. I don't know anyone who has one, or ever used one. Any advice or information about where to look would be greatly appreciated.
 
Crazyraceguy said:
As the title says, I have been thinking about getting an Origin for quite some time. My main concern is the learning curve. I don't know anyone who has one, or ever used one. Any advice or information about where to look would be greatly appreciated.

I got a Shaper Origin (and workstation) recently, I had been thinking about it for while, had some available money, and got a lot of encouragement from another FOG member.   

There is a lot of information onhttps://www.shapertools.com/en-us/ under the support pages and lots of project designs on ShaperHub.  Also, a lot of YouTube videos, active Facebook group, and Instagram. 

So far I have done some test projects based on projects I found on the ShaperHub pages, and made a box joint box using the built in capability.  My next step is to learn which design software program to use make my own designs.    Like all things, there is a learn curve. 

I like it and am glad I purchased it.  The Workstation is great and really compliments the Shaper Origin.  It is an interesting combination of a router (I think it's the OF1010 motor and collet) and computer control.    It not a CNC, it requires the person using it set it up and move it around.  Fairly hands on.  For what I make, that is fine, I don't do production.    If I need to make a lot of things, I will use it to make very accurate templates.  It also opens up new capabilities.
Bob

 
I bought one at the end of the very first offering. I use it less that I would have thought however that is because of my own lack of focus. Overall I love it.

Learning curve breaks down into (1) how best to apply the tool and (2) generating the designs to cut. The former was greatly enhanced when they released the WorkStation, I would not buy the SO now without one. Total game changer. Afterwards it's wrapping your head around using the tool to grid the workpiece and place the design to cut. With a little use controlling the tool becomes routine, the interface to set cut depth, select cut type, offset, etc is all really intuitive and simple to use.

RE design, a lot can be done using on-tool options to create simple shapes. For more complex stuff I've defaulted to Fusion 360 which does have a learning curve. For hobby use its free, and there are lots if resources but plan on spending some time. I consider the investment to be worthwhile since I now use F360 for other shop projects and 3d printing.

I've done inlays for solid wood tables, curved bases for lamps, lots of slots and pockets in various projects and templates for hand routing parts for complex assemblies, all of which were very precise and would have been difficult and time consuming to complete without it. Overall very pleased and glad I have one.

For one inlay we sketched a complex freehand outline on the wood, took a photo, imported into photoshop (had millennial assistance) traced, exported svg, dropped it on the stock and cut both the pocket and inlay flawlessly. Don't think I could have  managed that any other way.

Hope this helps.

RMW

 
RMW,
That is very informative, just what I was looking for. I was wondering just how useful it can be with the "on board" software. I know nothing about Fusion 360, but I am fairly adept with Photoshop.

The tips about the hub and other forums are appreciated too, Thanks to all.
 
[member=58857]Crazyraceguy[/member] I found the thread with the inlay mentioned. Basically we were filling in the big crack in that slab.

This post shows designing in F360 then making templates.

RMW
 
For me the Orign falls in the same categiry as my lathe, wish I could free up time to use/play with them more.

I have the Workstation also.

I use Fusion 360 for most of the designs because I can see how it comes together in 3 dimensions. As with most software, 360 is easy to learn and frustrating at the same time.

With the new software update on the Origin (Inverness has been available about a week) it is easier to do more designs and get them placed where you need them on the workpiece.

Look at Shaper Session, they show a lot of the tools capabilities.

Tom
 
Glad I tuned into this thread, there's a lot of good information here. I never really thought about the on-board capabilities because the original Origin software version didn't have any/many, so I decided that learning Fushion was a must...I'm still learning 2 years later.  [sad]  I don't think Fushion is that difficult but it takes a concerted effort to set aside a block of time for learning it.

I'm going to load the new Origin software and try some of the on-board projects just to familiarize myself with the operation. I'm hoping that experience will trigger some enthusiasm to finally put aside some time to learn Fushion.  [smile]
 
I’ve had my SO just over a year and have really enjoyed having it for various projects.  Mortise & tenons for a complicated clock build, inlays, engraving, inset cabinet handles & drawer pull, etc.

I tried Fusion 360 and found out I don’t have the patience to really learn it.  However, I use Affinity Designer with great success - it’s very affordable software.  I’m able to design most things that I want/need and with it.

The SO community is great.  Users are really helpful and share great ideas and designs.  The SO staff are beyond superior… enthusiastic, extreme knowledgeable in the product and use-cases.  They put on a bi-weekly webinar that’s been fun and useful.

No connection with Shaper Tools here, just a very satisfied user.  Oh, and the Shaper Workstation is a must-have in my opinion.

Good luck in your decision.

DaveC
 
I feel like it has been for sale long enough that a newer version could be imminent. I realize the software is updated regularly, but with Festool owning them I expect a hardware update soon. I think it was released in 2016 which in terms of digital technology makes it all but obsolete.
 
JimH2 said:
I feel like it has been for sale long enough that a newer version could be imminent. I realize the software is updated regularly, but with Festool owning them I expect a hardware update soon. I think it was released in 2016 which in terms of digital technology makes it all but obsolete.

Shaper Origin is not owned by Festool, they are both owned by the same parent company TTS Tooltechnic Systems.  TTS Tooltechnic owns Festool, SawStop, Shaper Tools, Festo Tooltechnic Beteiligungs Gmbh, Narex Ceska Lipa A.s. according to my web searches.

I too thought about if a new version was going to be out soon, but only Shaper Origin knows.  Most of the innovation is in Software and they seem to be doing that quite well.  They also seem to be expanding to world wide sales and support.  I suspect they won't do new hardware until they run out of things they can do in software.

Bob

 
The new Inverness operating system update released in the last week is a nice incremental update with numerous usability improvements.

It's a difficult choice to buy something thinking a newer model/version might be around the corner...whether computer applications, camera equipment, woodworking tools, guitars, etc.  - my particular poisons.

In my case, I'm glad I bought the Shaper when I did.  It's been a useful tool and lots of fun learning some new skills.

DaveC
 
JimH2 said:
I feel like it has been for sale long enough that a newer version could be imminent. I realize the software is updated regularly, but with Festool owning them I expect a hardware update soon. I think it was released in 2016 which in terms of digital technology makes it all but obsolete.

Based upon past experiences, you can bet this will happen very quickly after I buy one.
This has happened to me several times.
 
[member=58857]Crazyraceguy[/member] please let us know when you buy one so that I can be on the lookout for the new model!  [wink]
 
I have had an Origin since it was originally released.  I use it on joinery, inlay work, special hardware install, plaques, toys, and various other items.  I had debated a larger CNC machine but like the portability and small footprint of Origin.  I too have the Workstation.

You can use Fusion, SketchUp and several 2D design programs as long as you can get your designs into an SVG format.  Lots of sources online for these as well - Shaper Hub, Etsy and just searching for SVG and your need in Google. 

I don’t consider Shaper to be a productivity enhancer largely because you have to guide it for every cut it makes, and in incremental depths to get to the final depth you want.  That said, it is a creativity enhancer and a capability enhancer.

I’d watch plenty of the Shaper videos on the Shapertools.com site as well as their YouTube channel. 

I did update to the latest software version this past week - Inverness and it has some nice enhancements and ease of use improvements.  The team has been very responsive to user feedback and help.  And they do offer a service called ‘shaper assist’ which essentially is them doing your design for you from a sketch.  They charge for it, but I’ve heard great feedback on their forums from those who have used the service.
 
I have one. I love it. I would recommend buying one of these before buying a router. It can replace a lot of the domino functions too.

Crazyraceguy said:
I was wondering just how useful it can be with the "on board" software.

Very. Lots of basic shapes.

It’s especially good for creeping up on getting things like mortices and tenons perfect. Once you’ve clamped your workpiece and set up a grid, you can use offsets to modify a cut to perfection — to the thousands of an inch or 100th of a millimetre. Cut, try, cut again with miniscule offest, try again. Rinse and repeat. You can get fantastic levels of accuracy, e.g. for inlays, or things like soss hinges etc. No need to create complex jigs for placing things anymore, because you can accurately — and repeatably — place your design on your work.

If you are reasonably adept with design software, however, you’ll find yourself wanting to use it, even for things you could do on tool. I like designing on the computer rather than the tool, because design software is quicker and it also helps me think through exactly what I want to achieve / the order of operations etc. It serves as a “measure twice” -type of exercise for me.

I’m a real convert.

As a previous poster mentioned, buy the Shaper workstation if you can. You could build your own, but theirs is very well thought out and the build quality is good (a few niggles that are easily sorted).
 
The onboard software is very handy and they just added even more stuff last week.
The grid feature(onboard) is super handy for establishing your reference corner/edge and plotting your design from there.  You can change the size of the grid which makes it easier to place things at specific points.  The new updates also allows you to make precisely placed anchors based on X and Y coordinates.
The onboard design has text, rectangles, circles, box joint, object tracing and a couple other things.
On tool circle and rectangle is super fast and handy for lots of projects.  No need for special sized forstner bits if you can quickly make a hole whatever diameter and depth you need.  Plus, the offset feature lets you fine tune the fit.
If you have a big enough bit you can use the Helix feature.  Much quicker than taking successive plunges.

Fusion 360 is pretty cool and super powerful.  I previously tried SketchUP for woodworking projects and hated(don't use the word often) it.  SketchUp was really awful to learn/use.
Fusion 360, however, is super fun and it makes a lot more sense to me.  There is still a learning curve, but tons of videos and training on how to use it.  I'd strongly suggest one of the Udemy courses to get started.  You can find them on sale for $10-15.  The most helpful one for me was the "10 2D Drawings to Master 2D Sketching in Fusion".  The instructor is great, moves along quickly and teaches a lot of the shortcuts that make the software quicker to use.
ShaperOrigin also has some great videos on the Tube.  #ShaperSessions - projects like designing a 3 leg stool, signage, hybrid projects with track saw and lots more.

If you're doing things like logos or text there are apps that export SVG like Inkscape(free) and Adobe Illustrator(NOT free).  I've used Inkscape to help my daughters make some sign gifts.  It works pretty well to transform fonts into a cutting path.
I've started learning Adobe Illustrator - it looks like a powerful tool for signs and logos.

A recent example of the ShaperOrigin in my shop was cutting interior door hinge mortises.  The door shop sent me pre-hung with the wrong radius and mortise depth. 
I could have used scrap wood and screwed together a template to use my bearing bit - I've made those before.  Instead, I spent a few minutes in Fusion to create the precise cut-out size(3.5").  I created slots for half in ply edge guides with the exact spacing I needed from the front to back edge of the mortise.
It took me another 10-15 minutes to cut the jig out of 3/4" plywood.  Much of that was setup time - I oopsed on the first jig and it took less than 5 minutes to cut another one.
The jig was super easy to design, build and use.  Much better than my previous versions that were cobbled together.

The short version is that the Shaper Origin gives me options(functionality and creativity) that I wouldn't easily have otherwise.
And it's fun!  I have limited shop time, but I'm always thinking about fun(and serious) uses to make the most of the SO.
That said, I'm also practical and will use another tool or method if the SO doesn't add anything to the project or solve a problem I couldn't with other, quicker methods.  Right tool for the job.
 
I have one and determined it is fantastic in many situations and not so much in others.  If you have a bunch of repetitive parts to make, a traditional CNC is better. You can walk away from it and do other things. The on board tools far and away make this a much easier tool to learn. With few exceptions, everything I wanted to do was available through the tool or through the ShaperHub project site.  It's continually being added to with all kinds of cool projects. For me, without a doubt, the hardest part of using the tool is developing your own projects if you aren't familiar with the software that's available to generate SVG files. For inlay work, it's the bees knees.  Nothing easier to use for that than Origin. If the negative piece is too small, you can make very minute adjustments on the machine until the fit is perfect. 

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