Consolidated Q&A for Domino XL DF 700 Joiner
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Jack,
You will LUV the XL. The examples that Brian did for the show were killer. I got a quiet moment to talk to him and gave him an example of something that I thought about being cool to do and all he could say was that " You are thinking in a parallel universe to something I saw Germany working on." He couldn't expound on that (I didn't ask him to) and neither will I. But if it happens it will be cool! REALLY COOL. REALLY, REALLY COOL!
The XL rocks and will open up a new creative avenue much like the original did with the added benefit that there is already a huge user base of the original.
I can't wait to see to see the uses and the work that is produced once it is available every where.
Peter
You will LUV the XL. The examples that Brian did for the show were killer. I got a quiet moment to talk to him and gave him an example of something that I thought about being cool to do and all he could say was that " You are thinking in a parallel universe to something I saw Germany working on." He couldn't expound on that (I didn't ask him to) and neither will I. But if it happens it will be cool! REALLY COOL. REALLY, REALLY COOL!
The XL rocks and will open up a new creative avenue much like the original did with the added benefit that there is already a huge user base of the original.
I can't wait to see to see the uses and the work that is produced once it is available every where.
Peter
Perhaps beating a dead horse on the Domino500 vs. Domino XL and the cross-product accessories and functionality...
Still, I'm curious, praying, kneeling, wondering if the Domino XL will/can ever have a cutter in the future than can cut thinner dominoes; all the way down to the thinnest that Domino500 is capable of perhaps?
If no plans, curious if this is a mechanical limitation or just a marketing decision?
I was hoping for one Domino to rule them all.
Someone, please make me feel better and tell me there are either plans for a cutter that can do thinner dominoes on the XL in the future...
Or that the product actually has a mechanical limitation that won't ever allow this (whether or not this was an engineering or marketing decision I don't care)...just so that my hopes of one Domino purchase can finally be crushed and I can stop daydreaming
PS Festool USA marketing and Festool HQ if your watching. I don't have a domino yet, and if I have to buy two, I plan on buying a used 500 not a new one...marketing would make customers happy if they found a way to build functionality of both dominoes into the XL.
Still, I'm curious, praying, kneeling, wondering if the Domino XL will/can ever have a cutter in the future than can cut thinner dominoes; all the way down to the thinnest that Domino500 is capable of perhaps?
If no plans, curious if this is a mechanical limitation or just a marketing decision?
I was hoping for one Domino to rule them all.
Someone, please make me feel better and tell me there are either plans for a cutter that can do thinner dominoes on the XL in the future...
Or that the product actually has a mechanical limitation that won't ever allow this (whether or not this was an engineering or marketing decision I don't care)...just so that my hopes of one Domino purchase can finally be crushed and I can stop daydreaming
PS Festool USA marketing and Festool HQ if your watching. I don't have a domino yet, and if I have to buy two, I plan on buying a used 500 not a new one...marketing would make customers happy if they found a way to build functionality of both dominoes into the XL.
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Of course we (Festool) are watching. I started this thread after all. [wink]
I really doubt we will ever see smaller cutters for the XL. I don't know the reason because I'm not involved with those decisions. It's possible that it's to sell more tools (after all, that's how we stay in business), it's more likely that it's mechanical. I would imagine that a 70mm long, 4mm diameter cutter would be susceptible to breaking for instance. They're each designed for specific tasks, the same way we have a TS 55 and TS 75, sanders of different sizes and shapes, different size routers, etc. The OF 1010, 1400 and 2200 are made with the hopes of our customers buying all three models.
I really think each machine suits particular applications quite well with good overlap in the middle. I don't see a lot of customers needing both machines in most cases. With the Domino XL capable of mortising 3/4" material, that should do the trick for a large percentage of customers while still allowing for larger materials.
Shane Holland
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I really doubt we will ever see smaller cutters for the XL. I don't know the reason because I'm not involved with those decisions. It's possible that it's to sell more tools (after all, that's how we stay in business), it's more likely that it's mechanical. I would imagine that a 70mm long, 4mm diameter cutter would be susceptible to breaking for instance. They're each designed for specific tasks, the same way we have a TS 55 and TS 75, sanders of different sizes and shapes, different size routers, etc. The OF 1010, 1400 and 2200 are made with the hopes of our customers buying all three models.
I really think each machine suits particular applications quite well with good overlap in the middle. I don't see a lot of customers needing both machines in most cases. With the Domino XL capable of mortising 3/4" material, that should do the trick for a large percentage of customers while still allowing for larger materials.
Shane Holland
Festool USA
cgmojoco said:Perhaps beating a dead horse on the Domino500 vs. Domino XL and the cross-product accessories and functionality...
Still, I'm curious, praying, kneeling, wondering if the Domino XL will/can ever have a cutter in the future than can cut thinner dominoes; all the way down to the thinnest that Domino500 is capable of perhaps?
If no plans, curious if this is a mechanical limitation or just a marketing decision?
I was hoping for one Domino to rule them all.
Someone, please make me feel better and tell me there are either plans for a cutter that can do thinner dominoes on the XL in the future...
Or that the product actually has a mechanical limitation that won't ever allow this (whether or not this was an engineering or marketing decision I don't care)...just so that my hopes of one Domino purchase can finally be crushed and I can stop daydreaming
PS Festool USA marketing and Festool HQ if your watching. I don't have a domino yet, and if I have to buy two, I plan on buying a used 500 not a new one...marketing would make customers happy if they found a way to build functionality of both dominoes into the XL.
I can tell you that I don't think that I would ever need a longer 4, 5 or 6mm tenon that I could plunge on the XL machine.
For the smaller 4mm through 8mm tenons, I would much rather be lifting my 500 Joiner than the XL which weighs another 4 to 5 pounds for a large series of cuts.
I'm all in favor of two separate machines for different purposes.
I have to retract that last statement. I can see where I would use a deep plunge with a 6mm tenon for through mortise work on 20 - 25mm stock.
Jack
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I would have liked to have been a bit smarter and less impulsive when I got the OF1400. Based on my needs (hobby DIYer) I got the correct advice from my dealer (particularly in hs expectation of non professional's typical spending). In retrospect I would have gone with combination of OF 1010 and OF 2200.
I say this because I think the two different Domino joiners span the joining spectrum well - one that can cover the entire joining range ... a Domino in the middle would only be ideal for the middle sized stuff, potentially cumbersome for the smaller stuff and under performing for the big stuff.
Don't get me wrong - the OF 1400 is a great router and I won't part with it ... But it'll be the one thay gets used the least when I have an OF 1010 for jigs and an OF 2200 inverted in a CMS module.
I suppose what I've just said could open a can of worms when you consider some sort of CMS module for the big Domino ... All of a sudden it needs be able to do fine stuff in the same way a big router can when it's in a table ....
... Urghhh - have I just reversed my own viewpoint ? [embarassed]
(and yes, you can put the OF 1400 in a CMS module).
I say this because I think the two different Domino joiners span the joining spectrum well - one that can cover the entire joining range ... a Domino in the middle would only be ideal for the middle sized stuff, potentially cumbersome for the smaller stuff and under performing for the big stuff.
Don't get me wrong - the OF 1400 is a great router and I won't part with it ... But it'll be the one thay gets used the least when I have an OF 1010 for jigs and an OF 2200 inverted in a CMS module.
I suppose what I've just said could open a can of worms when you consider some sort of CMS module for the big Domino ... All of a sudden it needs be able to do fine stuff in the same way a big router can when it's in a table ....
... Urghhh - have I just reversed my own viewpoint ? [embarassed]
(and yes, you can put the OF 1400 in a CMS module).
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Kev,
I understand where you're coming from, but I tend to disagree. I have the OF1400 and no other router. I use it all the way from heavy stuff in the CMS down to intricate work such as routing inlay with a 1/16" bit.
The big plus of having one router that does it all is that you only have to buy one set of accessories. I have all the different bases, edge guides etc. for the 1400. That's a big saving over having to buy them for two routers.
The only negative is that I cannot use the really big 3 1/2" panel raising bits in the CMS with the 1400 but it's a small price to pay.
Richard.
I understand where you're coming from, but I tend to disagree. I have the OF1400 and no other router. I use it all the way from heavy stuff in the CMS down to intricate work such as routing inlay with a 1/16" bit.
The big plus of having one router that does it all is that you only have to buy one set of accessories. I have all the different bases, edge guides etc. for the 1400. That's a big saving over having to buy them for two routers.
The only negative is that I cannot use the really big 3 1/2" panel raising bits in the CMS with the 1400 but it's a small price to pay.
Richard.
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Richard Leon said:
That's all right - I think I disagree with myself !
On pure economics for a DIYer, the OF 1400 makes perfect sense.
Was just trying to use the router range as an analogy for the Domino joiner range ... Beware the emergence of a Domino 600 Midi then [scared] [eek] [big grin]
I see no reason to XL had a small mill. with its size and weight, it will not feel comfortable at work, because it's DF 500.jacko9 said:cgmojoco said:Perhaps beating a dead horse on the Domino500 vs. Domino XL and the cross-product accessories and functionality...
Still, I'm curious, praying, kneeling, wondering if the Domino XL will/can ever have a cutter in the future than can cut thinner dominoes; all the way down to the thinnest that Domino500 is capable of perhaps?
If no plans, curious if this is a mechanical limitation or just a marketing decision?
I was hoping for one Domino to rule them all.
Someone, please make me feel better and tell me there are either plans for a cutter that can do thinner dominoes on the XL in the future...
Or that the product actually has a mechanical limitation that won't ever allow this (whether or not this was an engineering or marketing decision I don't care)...just so that my hopes of one Domino purchase can finally be crushed and I can stop daydreaming
PS Festool USA marketing and Festool HQ if your watching. I don't have a domino yet, and if I have to buy two, I plan on buying a used 500 not a new one...marketing would make customers happy if they found a way to build functionality of both dominoes into the XL.
I can tell you that I don't think that I would ever need a longer 4, 5 or 6mm tenon that I could plunge on the XL machine.
For the smaller 4mm through 8mm tenons, I would much rather be lifting my 500 Joiner than the XL which weighs another 4 to 5 pounds for a large series of cuts.
I'm all in favor of two separate machines for different purposes.
so that the two Systainer even in this case will have to buy ..
oh, horror! they want to take our money! [scared] [smile]
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I think this may have been mentioned or asked about, but we will have the tenon bins and dividers as spare parts. Spare parts can be ordered from your Festool dealer or directly from our service department (number below in my signature).
700715 Container bin
700716 Partition wall dividers
700715 Container bin
700716 Partition wall dividers
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Something else that I don't recall seeing mentioned here is that the Domino Assortment in the Systainer for the DF 500 now has removable plastic containers like the new ones will.
Tom
Tom
My main question about the latest Domino is:
What is its exact market target? I raise this because surely the original Domino is suitable for making heavier M&Ts too. I believe the new model can handle longer biscuits and thicker sections of timber, but aside from the price, and the design, what other differences are there?
Also, surely an original Domino can handle bigger section timber by using multiple domino biscuits in one joint.
One more query. Would I be best off buying an original Domino, just for home workshop use?
Thanks
John
What is its exact market target? I raise this because surely the original Domino is suitable for making heavier M&Ts too. I believe the new model can handle longer biscuits and thicker sections of timber, but aside from the price, and the design, what other differences are there?
Also, surely an original Domino can handle bigger section timber by using multiple domino biscuits in one joint.
One more query. Would I be best off buying an original Domino, just for home workshop use?
Thanks
John
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Hookie said:My main question about the latest Domino is:
What is its exact market target? I raise this because surely the original Domino is suitable for making heavier M&Ts too. I believe the new model can handle longer biscuits and thicker sections of timber, but aside from the price, and the design, what other differences are there?
Also, surely an original Domino can handle bigger section timber by using multiple domino biscuits in one joint.
One more query. Would I be best off buying an original Domino, just for home workshop use?
Thanks
John
The new bigger domino plunges deeper and uses larger bits, so if you're making joints in bigger material, the bigger domino makes sense.
For home? What do you make at home? ... chairs, cabinetry, etc - yes the DF500 is ideal. If you like making large doors at home, you probably want the 700!
Thanks Kev,
The only large doors I might make would be garden gates, and the like.
I am dubious about switching from old style wedged, through M&Ts for those jobs, so maybe the older Domino would suit me.
On the other hand, the new one should do all that the older one can, and the facility to go larger is always there.
For about £300.00 extra I suppose I might as well go for the new model. Just means a bit more saving-up to do! [big grin]
Thanks for the info.
Regards
John
The only large doors I might make would be garden gates, and the like.
I am dubious about switching from old style wedged, through M&Ts for those jobs, so maybe the older Domino would suit me.
On the other hand, the new one should do all that the older one can, and the facility to go larger is always there.
For about £300.00 extra I suppose I might as well go for the new model. Just means a bit more saving-up to do! [big grin]
Thanks for the info.
Regards
John
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Hookie said:Thanks Kev,
The only large doors I might make would be garden gates, and the like.
I am dubious about switching from old style wedged, through M&Ts for those jobs, so maybe the older Domino would suit me.
On the other hand, the new one should do all that the older one can, and the facility to go larger is always there.
For about £300.00 extra I suppose I might as well go for the new model. Just means a bit more saving-up to do! [big grin]
Thanks for the info.
Regards
John
Don't look at the DF500 as "the old model" - its the model that cuts smaller mortises. The 700 doesn't cut the smaller holes as of today ... So be very aware of the size dominoes you wish to use before you buy - you need both domino machines to cover the full spectrum of dominoes.
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