Cordless Outdoor Power Equipment

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I'm in the mood to convert all my 2-cycle outdoor power equipment to cordless (you can guess why). Stihl seems significantly more expensive than other options. Most of my smokers are Stihl, and I respect the brand, but the cordless system verges on too much. I like the look of the Makita 18 X 2 system and I have always had good luck with Makita cordless, going back to the days of the 9.6 volt drill with the handle that was 3 inches too long. Googling has revealed that Husqvarna are in the game, too, with a "40" volt line-up (how does 36.5 become 40 in marketing-speak?). This is another brand I have had good luck with. Sadly, unless I am missing something, the Bosch cordless outdoor equipment is NAINA. I'm probably missing some others, but I am not looking for cheapest, I'm looking for best value and performance looking years down the road.

If you hang out in the FOG, you are more than likely to appreciate quality power tools of any kind, so I am asking for your experience with the newest generation of cordless outdoor power equipment. What did you get, why, and how do you like it?

Trimmer and Blower are first on the list. I want the option to get a chainsaw that uses the same battery platform.
 
I decided to also dump the 2 stroke. I bought a blower from EGO. Was quite impressed with it. Trimmer and weed eater later followed.
Decent run times, which I really don’t have anything to compare it against,just seems like I get more time than I think I should.
 
I like the Milwaukee stuff. I have the older style trimmer and a second gen blower. Both have worked well for me. The newer style trimmer is basically a power head and will take attachments.

The Milwaukee chain saw gets rave reviews as well

I have a 9.0 ah battery with mine works great. They also have 12ah as well.

The stuff I have handles well. The trimmer has 2 speeds the slower one works for cutting and saves battery life. Pick up a shoulder strap sold separately.

Ron
 
I had (and still have) all Stihl stuff. After playing around w/ different brands, I settled on Milwaukee and have everything thing they make, I think. We have 61 acres. Really love all of it and wouldn't go back.
 
Hi,

Keep away from the Bosch stuff. They entered the market with a few tools, some say they are good/ok, some have highly different experiences with them - but Bosch really doesn't stand behind the product line and is basically giving it up more or less.

If I was going to buy more cordless gardening tools, other than the one small grass & hedge trimmer I have, it would be Stihl, and only Stihl.

Makita is lagging behind on battery technology, and currently I wouldn't buy anything from them for fears of them introducing new batteries that won't work with older/recently purchased tools. Given the overall timeframe, currently I think it's more likely to happen for them to bring new batteries than not. That's why I'm/ I would be highly cautious.

Stihl changed their 12V battery system, so everything with "25" in the name, is not compatible with the new "26" models - battery wise. I hope it's a one time mishap.

Kind regards,
Oliver
 
Four seasons ago I needed a new mower (my Honda Harmony was 16 years old!), blower, and trimmer. I replaced them all with EGO. From my research they seem to have the best battery technology. It's nice to go out with just a couple batteries to do the lawn work. Two other huge advantages are no exhaust small and electric tools are very quiet.
 
I also own all Stihl petrol powered yard tools, nothing but good words for the brand.

Last year however, I borrowed my neighbors new Milwaukee M18 line trimer as my Stihl was out of line. Pretty impressed with the Milwaukee and it was QUIET, was that ever nice.  [smile]

This spring I picked up the Milwaukee M18 hedge trimmer and am super impressed with that also. Quiet and light in weight, the Stihl hedge trimmer will be moved down the road. I used the Milwaukee hedge trimmer for about 45 minutes and the battery charge was still at number 4. Battery run time for the new fuel M18 line is fantastic.

I'd like to try the Milwaukee M18 chain saw out, the reviews are pretty positive.
 
I'm happy with my Dewalt Flexvolt chainsaw and Blower.  I have a lawn service, so don't use them all the time, but still need to do the occasional cleanup when a tree falls, etc.  That they match the battery platform that most of my other cordless tools use is convenient because I am never out of batteries [but the runtime is generally quite good].
 
Thanks for all the replies, guys.

To be honest, until asking here, I had sort of discounted Milwaukee. My experience (very early) with Milwaukee cordless was not sterling, but that was when it was re-branded Panasonic.

Their multi-function system is much less expensive than Makita while run time estimates and specs seem comparable for something that takes one battery instead of two. Right now I'm leaning toward Milwaukee.
 
I have the Makita double battery string trimmer and couldn't recommend it more. I changed out the spool to an echo one and run larger diameter wire than Makita says you can. They advertise the same trimmer in Japan with brush blades. When I got mine they were running a special with 4 5.0 batteries, charger, trimmer. Good deal when purchased as a big kit. Harness and bull horn handles available from overseas.

I disagree that Makita is lagging behind so far as battery technology. It depends on how you look at it. I appreciate that the batteries have had the same form factor for 15 years. I only have one kind of battery and one kind of charger and that's working for me right now (unless I get into cordless Festool). I don't think the LXT battery is going anywhere. Makita is introducing 40v batteries right now, but the LXT has outlasted the big 36v batteries they used to have. If anything, it looks like they're doubling down with tools that take 4 batteries.
 
cpw said:
I'm happy with my Dewalt Flexvolt chainsaw and Blower.  I have a lawn service, so don't use them all the time, but still need to do the occasional cleanup when a tree falls, etc.  That they match the battery platform that most of my other cordless tools use is convenient because I am never out of batteries [but the runtime is generally quite good].

My neighbor just bought the weed eater (20V version) and it works great. I bought my father the hedge trimmers and they are more than sufficient. I have some of their FlexVolt (60V) system (mitre saw, table saw, right angle drill) and a handful of their 20V system (small router, small mitre saw, impact wrench). You can use the 60V batteries in the 20V tools so you end up with plenty of batteries and can move to buying the tool-only packages.

I have not tried the other brands, but I can say I am 100% satisfied with what I have used.
 
I haven’t used Milwaukee outdoor stuff so can’t compare.  I do have Makita's 36v pole saw, extension, string trimmer, 18v hedger and 36v blower.  No chainsaws.  I use Stihl and Husqvarna chainsaws.  I have a Maruyama gas blower.  I use the Makita blower the most.  Almost the same as the gas Maruyama except for blowing leaves out of my gutters with a 15 foot 2” PVC extension.  The pole saw works exceptionally well.  You can add a second extension but does get heavy.  I’ve read good things about Milwaukee products too but have tons of Makita 5ah batteries and tools so went that direction.  I do wait for sales so the Makita stuff so it is not that expensive.  I can’t buy batteries online since no one ships them to Hawaii, so can’t buy kits, just bare tools.  It is nice just picking up a tool and turning it on.  The pole saw still has to be taken apart to clean debris from chain and chain oil drained when done using or oil will leak out.  Nice not being up on a ladder with a recip saw with pruning blade.  And quieter for me and neighbors.  I wasn’t aware of Makita's battery tech being behind.  They have so many tools using their 18v/36v I’d be surprised to see an availability issue with batteries.
 
With OPE, I've generally accepted 36V and higher are better, especially if you're wanting something close to the performance of 2 stroke machines.  Some tools don't need it, some really do.  So finding a platform that shares the same batteries as your drills and impact drivers usually involves a compromise.  The exception might be Milwaukee.  Somehow they have build their batteries with high discharge capacity to feed power hungry tools.  Since they can make a chainsaw work and keep up with small gas saws, I would consider them.  Obviously, Makita has gone with the 18V x 2 system for OPE which retains compatibility with your other tools, so that's another option. 

Stihl - I have their hedge trimmers, but I bought them before the others came out with the long reach pivoting head trimmers.  It was really my only option.  Compared to gas, it's thankfully lighter, but not the same in terms of power even though it's 36v (I got the pro level battery system - can't remember what they called it).  Still they get the job done and it comes with quality blades, which is key.  If I was buying today...Stihl is way to pricey and the other brands have caught up in terms of the array of OPE they offer on their platforms and higher voltage battery systems which close the gap with gas powered tools.

Ego is one of the better options IHMO, if they make all the tools you need.  They don't break the bank, especially if you catch them on sale.  The traditional OPE brands that made their bread and butter on gas tools have been caught off guard with this rotation to battery tools and have been slow to make the transition.  Part of it may be their market (professional landscapers) still can't make the switch because of the run times they require.  These brands are trying to develop electric tools, but so far, I think the traditional makers of electric tools are a step ahead when it comes to the homeowner market.
 
For a home owner in a residential neighborhood cordless will work fine. If you are maintaining a forest or cutting heavy grasses there is no way cordless will work.

The gas version of tools will always have more power and robustness. When I researched pole saws the Echo PPT280 was the highest rated by arborists and can accept a 4ft extension, allowing cutting 21ft into the trees. Take any combi tool out there, be it battery or gas, and there is no comparison, plus you might be lucky to reach 10ft into a tree. I borrowed my friends Milwaukee combi tool with the pole saw attachment to try and was not impressed. I was super afraid of bending the pole. I can't count how many times I dropped my Echo hard on the ground without damage, well other than a bar that bent being taken to the ground by a very large tree branch. So the Milwaukee combi pole saw attachment failed "for me". After putting on the grass trimmer attachment I went to give it a try on oat grasses about 3-4ft tall which is a standard height, and on a good wet year they get over 7ft tall. It struggled, got wrapped up in grasses too often and didn't have the power to keep cutting once wrapped vs a gas that would keep going. The gas also accepts thicker string .110 so it cuts better and last longer. Use only the .095 string on cordless trimmers. I would like to try the Milwaukee combi unit with the hedge trimmer attachment to keep myself off a ladder as much as possible. I've got a brand new in box Milwaukee string trimmer I plan to sell at some point, and pickup the combi unit for light duty work, like when I just want to trim the grass around a planter, not cut the hillside. 

The Milwaukee hedge trimmer works pretty good. I also have a gas Echo that is ancient and definitely has more power for cutting brush at its thicker base. The Milwaukee stops often on heavy brush. For routinely cutting hedges along a sidewalk anything cordless of quality would work just fine though.

With a lot of chainsaws of different sizes to choose from, I do like my Makita 14" rear handle and plan to buy the new 36v Makita top handle saw for climbing trees, retiring my gas climbing saw. Hate starting a saw in the trees and having fumes in my face. The Makita rear handle cuts faster due to chain speed, but cutting dried oak it will stall out.

Owning a Stihl backpack blower there is nothing that can compare. The Milwaukee leaf blower does work well on dried leaves, but not wet leaves, where the Stihl moves most anything. Used the Milwaukee Sunday to blow the leaves off the roof, off the deck, out from under the deck, the front driveway, and my arm was sore, but the 9.0Ah battery was just starting to die. The backpack blower is less tiring. The cordless is far quieter, requires no maintenance, well I did let the smoke out of the first one after about 20 minutes of use, and therefore it is quick so it gets used more. Also works great for blowing off cars after washing, tools covered in sawdust, and anything else that requires large amounts of air movement. 

Makita batteries and chargers are still some of the best out there. Makita has been using air cooling while charging for years before others started doing so. Haven't had a Makita battery fail under warranty yet, but have had Milwaukee batteries fail and too many Milwaukee tools needing to be sent in for repairs from day 1. No brand loyalty from me, I own both Makita and Milwaukee brands, but have stayed away from Dewalt. Makita does have a special offer until 7/31 on some tools that come with 4 batteries. I bought the 7 1/4" rear handle saw for $249 just to get the batteries. They are offering that promo on yard equipment now though.
 
I've had a DeWalt 20V string trimmer for a couple years, it has worked well for our needs.
I recently added a DeWalt pole saw and so far I like it. I think the max extension on it is 18 feet, I've not used it at full extension so far. We have a lot of trees, so it will probably get more use than the trimmer.
 
I really respect the Stihl stuff - But living on 5 acres of forested Ponderosa Pine -
I’ve stuck with my Husqvarna 2-stroke chain saw and hedge trimmer.
A little “finicky” ‘til they get goin’ - But they “run hard” - And get the job done.

And... Oh yea.
A huge vote for my “cordless” John Deere 1025R Sub-Compact Tractor.[wink]
I cut 3-1/2 acres of our forest “floor” with it yesterday.
“Nuthin’ runs like a Deere.”
 
Joe Felchlin said:
And... Oh yea.
A huge vote for my “cordless” John Deere 1025R Sub-Compact Tractor.[wink]
I cut 3-1/2 acres of our forest “floor” with it yesterday.
“Nuthin’ runs like a Deere.”
Curious why you are mowing the forest floor? Brush reduction for fire? If so you are lucky to be able to mow without destroying blades and blade transmissions on rocks. (We keep the land around our community of 4 houses mowed, but can't use a tractor for much of it due to rough terrain, trees, and rocks. Saved our homes from fire...twice!)

Easier to let a couple of thousand "girls" do the work in the forest.

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Pretty neat grass “trimmers” you’ve got there -
But I don’t think that our Home Owners’ Association would approve of them -
Among these $800K - $1M+ homes/properties. [smile]

I’ve cleared out all of the smaller Ponderosa Pine trees and brush on 80% of our property -
And trimmed the limbs up on the big trees - About 20’ off of the ground.
So now - Most of the forest surrounding our house is more “park like” than forest.

Absolutely - It’s about fire mitigation. Fires are a big deal around Colorado Springs.
A few years ago - A fire - Just a couple of miles south of us - Burned 352 homes -
And the beautiful forest that they were in. We had to evacuate - But it was stopped short of us.

The fire departments just can’t save ‘em all - So they “triage” - Picking the ones -
Where the home owners have done their fire mitigation. WE’VE MITIGATED.

As for the forest floor - No rough terrain or rocks. It’s just definitely not “suburban lawn”.
I use Oregon G6 Gator Blades. They’re half again as thick as the John Deere OEM blades.
And I cut “high” - At 4 inches. So no problems.

Hope that this answers your questions.
 
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