Create New Package Pricing

bruegf

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Christian,

How about creating some package pricing for the tools and their accessories.  A package could be a select set of accessories, a specified discount when buying accessories of my choice totaling more than a set amount, or perhaps a 10% discount on all accessories purchased at the same time the tool is purchased.

I'm planning to purchase the OF1400 and with the accessories I want the cost will be almost 4 times the cost of the router alone, far more than what adding a CT vac to the purchase would be.  Besides, how many CT's can a guy really use at one time?  :-) 

Thanks

Fred
 
Fred,
   I am with you. One of the most frustrating (and most $$ painful) things about some Festool products is the fact that you may have to double your investment just to be able to use the tool. Three years ago when I fell off the green cliff; I bought the RO150, with no assorted abrasive packs available I then had to spend several hundred dollars to get the abrasives necessary to sand and refinish some doors and furniture. I ended up exchanging an OF1400 (a xmas gift) for an OF1010 because I would have to buy an edge guide, rail adaptor, bushing adaptor etc.
   I think if they offered accessory packages as you mentioned a lot of people would be better able to withstand the green sticker shock the accessory prices can cause.
   
 
I third this notion!

I'd like to see more package options for various tools. Take the Domino for instance and the Domino Systainer. Why not make them a package and save 10% or even 5%.

Now I already own the Domino so this won't benefit me but it is hard for a newbie to figure out exactly which Domino's to buy if you can't afford/justify the full Sortainer

Dan Clermont
 
I suspect strongly that Festool's margin is quite a bit higher on the accessories than it is on the tool, so hopefully it wouldn't be that painful for them to give a package price on the tool and accessories instead of the tool and a vacuum.

Fred

PS.  An even better alternative would be a program where after buying, for example,  6 tools within 3 years you can get one free -  sort of like the Speedy rewards card at Speedway :-)  Ok time to come back to reality :-(
 
I agree.  I got the RO 150 for Christmas and the other half was the sand paper.  Never thought I would consider paying that much for sand paper
 
Don T said:
I agree.  I got the RO 150 for Christmas and the other half was the sand paper.  Never thought I would consider paying that much for sand paper

That is a hurdle, only partially helped by the several types/grits you can get in 5-packs.

The good news is that, if you're a hobbyist, you're probably equipped for several years of sanding now.  :)

Ned
 
I brought this up a long time ago.  Or was this just a conversation with Bob Marino.  I don't remember.  In any case, I still think it's a great idea.  And I too have 10 years worth of sandpaper for my RO150 in every grit from 36 to 400. 
 
  Let me share this with you all.  I love the power tools & some of the accessories. 
  You see, I own an OF 2000 & got it with the edge guide.  It's a top heavy router when stood on it's head on the bench & it toppled over.  It hit the bench in a twisting motion just hard enough to shatter the edge guide.
  It did not fall hard or far.  It just tipped over.  It's very top heavy with the guide & the steel bars, & tipsy!  It was then that I realized that the OF2000 edge guide is nothing like the OF 1400 edge guide.  The OF 1400 is a fairly well made edge guide, but the OF 2000's is trash.  It's cast out of "pot" metal.  It shattered like the trim bezel on the corner of a Ford Pinto in a Mall parking lot!  :-\
  Here look for yourselves, I've attached a photo of it & photos of my solution.  I didn't mind buying the OF1400 edge guide for $58.00.  That was reasonable & useful, also made well with a better casting.  The OF2000 edge guide is $131.00!!!!!!!!!!!!  ??????????  What I cannot say here is the expletives I shouted when it broke, or my anguish.
  It failed at a bad time too.  It was set up & very much needed that day.  Timmy C., the Festool dude, helped me out & I was able to get just the replacement cast part for $37.00 or so, still it took a few days, so I had to figure out a solution.  Neccessity is the mother of invention. 
  Also, I'm glad I had to make a new edge guide.  I like mine better & the plexiglass sub base is from my router beam for curves.  Now I know I can attach the OF2000 to that for curved work as well, at the very least.
  Anyway, it's a shame & a mystery how they price these accessories.  Buy them carefully & ask about them here first.  I mean don't even get me started on those wing things for the Domino.  They say it's for line boring with the machine, & hooking each previous cut for spacing..........??????????????  If you do as they say & use the enlarged slots for one side of the joint, except for the first cut , won't they all go out of alignment?  I thought that immediately & never used it.  It works just like a biscuit joiner anyway.  They felt flimsy mounted to the domino as well.  I'll keep them in a safe spot with the new OF2000 "pot" metal edge guide I've now repaired.

PS I've had that router beam in use for 15 years now, & it was on the wall in front of me when the Festool guide broke.  I only had to drill a few new holes & make a fence plate of apple ply.  That was luck, & a good old, reliable shop made jig on the wall!
 
Terp,

I get your point about that Festool edge guide...

It's looks exactly like someone took the edge guide from my Bosch router and told some chinese factory to make the cheapest copy they could.

Surely Festool has not decided already to start profiting from an established market, I figured we'd get a couple more years of good stuff yet. 
 
That's a great analogy for the edge guide :D
  I think that Festool sells other manufacturers products frankly.  Comparing the guide for the OF2000 to that of the OF1400 is like comparing apples & oranges. 
  The routers are both fantastic, just don't get hung up on the accessories.  Jigging your routers is a shop skill we all need to know. 
  That's what bells & whistles are though.  What I find upsetting is the fact that Festool sells the OF2000 guide for $131.00, while the OF1400 guide sells at $58.00.  Obviously nobody looked closely at the two at the coporate HQ.
  BTW, it shouldn't matter.  While the accessories are often interesting, they are often based on shop made versions of themselves. 
  I have two small "C" clamps given to me at one large cabinetshop I worked at.  All the bench Cabinetmakers got a pair.  They were for clamping any old scrap block of wood to the bases on our older model bosch routers.  These older routers all came with a pair of holes, factory drilled,right throught the sub base plate & the cast base body.  The shop also gave us all a pair of machine screws with wingnuts.  With these you could attach any creation you could dream up to the base of the router.  We also were given one 3/4" x3/4" straight router bit with a 1/4" shaft.  This bit had no bearing, yet was to be used for rabbeting with the router & any old scrap block of wood.  It always worked perfect & is infinitely adjustable.  It aslo will not shift if it's tapped once the "C" clamps are tightened hard.  Oh, & you could use anedge profiling bit like an Ogee, without bearings.  In that fashion only a portion of the cutter can be used, while the bit canbe buried in the scrap block fence, allowing "zero clearance"  The Bosch router is designed to quickly attach to shop made accessories. 
  Nowadays they all come with special attachment devices for expensive dedicated accessories.  To be honest, I never used the bars/edge guide for my many Porter cable 690 routers, but the two humps on the cast base for the bars to slide through are often in the way of the "C" clamps.  Besides, have you ever seen the edge guide for a Porter Cable router.  It's cast heavier like a hand plane, & is basically identical to the Festool guides.  It is stronger & therefore better, yet out of the box they must be straightened.  Also, they make the router even more likely to tip over, though they would never shatter.
  Usually a wood face plate is attached to this guide & then jointed.  I did this to the OF 1400 guide in order to widen it.  The single face strengthens the fence quite a bit & I should have added one to the OF2000 guide.
  I use a Stanley #80M scraper.  It is identical  to a Stanley #80 scraper.  The difference between the two, the M, which stands for a malleable casting.  This meant that it could be dropped & it wouldn't shatter.  It was designed to withstand the rigors of a professional existence, & sold alongside the standard #80.  This was 100 years ago.  BTW, that is what I call an option.  ;) 
  Anyway, I never worried about the accessories unless they are truly essential, & I can't fashion it myself, like collets.  My router table is just a shop made version.  It has never not been able to accomplish my needs, & stores on the wall. 
  PS For $131.00 that edge guide should bounce, & not break. ::)
 
Guys this way off topic. This is a good discussion you should have started your own thread in the general section.
 
  Perhaps we are off topic a bit Brice. 
  Although my thinking is that the accessories should be packaged in a reasonably priced way with the tools.  For package deals to be attractive to those of us who already own the CT's, I now have the second enroute, the accessories need to be packaged with the tool.  The edge guide comparison simply shows that there is no reasoning to the current pricing structure.  It was mentioned that there is a higher profit margin to the accessories.  I say let 'em go cheaper to those of us who have invested in a stock house of Festools.
  I love the power tools, but if the accessories are not brought down to earth, price wise, alternative methods hould be sought.
  I would much rather not spend my time reinventing the wheel so to speak in order to attach an edge guide, yet things like the price for the OF2000 guide, coupled with its lack of strength, make this impossible at times.  If the guide's price was reasonable, this could be considered a consumable, but not at $131.00.
  Likewise, since I did get my guide with the router as an OF2000 E plus package, I was not too upset that it had broke, just pressed for time.  If I had sprung $131.00 though, that would have been different.  :-X >:(
  I paid $58.00 for the OF1400 guide, seperately.  It also should be offered as a full kit part with the OF1400, but at $58.00 I don't mind at all.  It also doesn't appear to be so delicate.
  I say package the tools  with the accessories.  Seperately from the power tool alone even.  It still would allow a pricing discount on accessories at the time of the power tools purchase. 
  BTW, they did this with the Domino, right.  I think it was cheaper to buy the machine with the accessories outright, than to buy the accessories seperately later.
 
Terp, it would be nice to get a discount, but we know that is not going happen. You're right the Domino did have a discount with the accessories.

The info about your edge guide braking probably doesn't fit here. I'd like to see you post it in the general section, that way it will get the attention it deserves. For that price you should be getting a higher quality piece. I think more people would like to know about this.
 
You're right again Brice,  I'll post this in a new thread as well.  It is hard to stick strictly to topic sometimes.
 
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