CT22 + Dust Deputy vs. Lunchbox planer?

Ned

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Does anyone have experience with this combination?

The manufacturer's video shows the Dust Deputy being used with fine dust.  How well does the CT22 + Dust Deputy deal with the shaving-like output from a planer, not to mention the volume of output.

I don't use the planer very often and I'm willing to stop often enough to unload the 10 gallon Dust Deputy can.  I'd rather do that than use a disposable bag.

At this point I've got my old Sears Shop Vac just for the planer.  Not wonderful but better than nothing.  Haven't tried hooking the CT22 up because the largest hose I've got is D36.

Ned
 
We've been using the Makita lunchbox with a CT22, no cyclone. Works great. No airborne dust, no broom and shovel routine. I'm still planning on butchering my old 110v Dyson at some point to put inline.
 
Yeah, I think so. The makita hood is a huge opening. The ID is about the same size as the CT22 intake. We were planning on getting two  inlet hose ends for the same hose. Right now we wrap a rag around the planer end, and surprisingly, it works well. Very snug fitting. I don't like it, but haven't had a chance to "upgrade" to a properly sized fitting.

The difference is tremendous. A few crumbs left over to vacuum from inside the planer when finished. We ran it without the collection one day because we were lazy and were astonished at the amount of airborne dust that was hanging around, not to mention the foot deep pile of shavings. For the record, I'm digging this planer more than the 12" Dewalt I had (DW744), because the hood attaches with two thumbscrews and can be stowed inside for transport. The Dewalt may have changed, but required a screwdriver and prevented you from flipping up the back table.
 
Not to take anything away from Festool, but I was at Woodcraft last night poking around and found an 8' 2 1/2" hose for $16 (obviously not anti-static) with male ends that I physically took to a CT 22 and they fit perfectly.  Might be a good option for putting in-line with another canister/collector (not sure of the proper term).
 
An inexpensive 2 1/2" hose from Sears should work, too.  My old ones do.  I used to own a 12" Belsaw planer and collected the shavings with a Sears 16 gal shop vac.  It worked quite well, but had to be dumped very frequently.  I think most of its effectiveness was due to the design of the collector nozzle supplied by Belsaw, which directed the chips into the inlet of the hose without a lot of change in direction of their path as they came off the planer head.  Today I use a 4" hose hooked to a a larger Oneida cyclone - low static pressure but high air flow.  I have not tried my Dust Deputy cyclone with that planer and my CT-22, but I notice when rip cutting with my TS-55, if there are narrow, thin strips, they get sucked into the hose and I usually find some of them stuck in the inlet of the cylcone.  The cyclone does seem to work better with smaller particles.

Dave R.
 
I bought a Dust Deputy to use w/my Alto/VAP SQ10. I also purchased new 1 1/5" and 2" Festool antistatic hoses and various antistatic connectors to use w/the system. If you want pictures let me know.

I use the system to collect dust, hand plane shavings and carving shavings. For this it works fine. I also have a 4" -> 2" adapter that I use to collect bandsaw dust. Works great.

I considered a ClearVue but 1) I did not want to be bothered sourcing the extra parts 2) did not like the idea of using a 5 gallon bucket (not stable in my mind) 3) looked at sourcing a small metal drum like the one that comes w/the DD but it would have cost me ~$100 + S&H, which is 1/2 the price of the DD.

Things that I would like to see improved w/the DD.

1) Modify the inlet to take a 2" hose. This would allow the use of a 2", 1 1/2" and 1" hoses. Basically, unplug the hose from the vacuum and attach it to the cyclone and no need for adapters. (e.g. same opening as that on the vacuum. ClearVue has this)
1) Modify the outlet to take a 2" hose (had to using a Furnco fitting as an adapter, thanks Steve! or a smaller hose between the vacuum and DD)
2) Add a neutral vane (ClearVue has this)

I am not an expert by any means on dust collection but I have notice that when I vacuum up a large item, not dust, e.g. screw that I can hear it spinning around and around in the cyclone. This may be the result of either, my vacuum being too strong (I do not have the variable speed model) or the cyclone needs a neutral vane. I "think" it may be the former b/c I have seen a small amount of white dust in my vacuum when I sanded some drywall. Still have not gotten around to doing a formal test w/an empty bag.

HTH.

Stephen
 
I have heard larger, heavier, items whirling around within the funnel of my Dust Deputy, too.  When I do, I simply cut the vacuum and whatever it was falls into the drum.  If it is a steel screw, a magnet can be used to quickly fish it out of the dust.

Dave R.
 
I'm curious if the planers that you're talking about have impellers. I've got the DeWalt DW735 (works great but goes through knives like crazy) and their manual states that you shouldn't use a shop vac. They say it'll be overwhelmed by the volume of shavings being propelled out of the machine. Anyone tried it with a CT22?

I'd love to figure out a way to make it work, rather than buy one of the large 1.5 hp dust collectors.

Mike
 
TahoeTwoBears said:
I'm curious if the planers that you're talking about have impellers. I've got the DeWalt DW735 (works great but goes through knives like crazy) and their manual states that you shouldn't use a shop vac. They say it'll be overwhelmed by the volume of shavings being propelled out of the machine. Anyone tried it with a CT22?

I'd love to figure out a way to make it work, rather than buy one of the large 1.5 hp dust collectors.

Mike

Mike, my introduction to lake tahoe was in 1963 when i drove out to california on a 4 week trip.  i drove around tahoe on July 4th in a snow storm.  the water was real choppy with huge white caps.  needless to say, i was not very tempted for a swim.

to answer your question, i am sure the planer would be more than the CT could handle.  I do have my planer (DW 735?) hooked up to my Pennstate DC with 4" hose via 30 gal waste bucket with a cyclone lid on it. This is the type with an inlet and outlet arranged in such a way that the container becomes the cyclone.  I have a short day planned for today, so I will go down later and see if i can hook up my CT 22 to the outlet side of the lid and see if I can get positive results.  If it will work with the cyclone lid, I am sure it might work with the cyclones being discussed here.  I have a low ceiling (6'8") so i do not have as great a rise in the 4" hose from the planer to the ceiling and on to the vac as most have for headroom.  If it works for me, it might still be a problem for others. 

i will play around with it and see what happens
Tinker
 
I used the DW744 with two different shopvacs, no cyclone. It usually jammed in the hood. I was doing mostly Doug Fir though. A harder wood might be smaller chips, hence might make it through.

In response to earlier post, it isn't the 50mm hose we're using, it's a gray Fein hose but it's smaller, I think in the 30mm range.
 
i tried!
1st off, my planer is a DW 733
i have a "cyclone lid with 4" openings>> in and out.
A 30 gal waste container to set it on.
The lid does NOT fit air tight to the can.
the system works with my larger Pennstate vac with 4" suction fittings and running 4" (16 feet long) hose across my shop ceiling from planer to the container with a short (4') 4" hose from container to vac  that works with about 80 t0 90% pickup of planer shavings.  the uncaptured shavings blow out the front of the planer.  Very little cleanup needed.  Once i solve making lid tight to container, i am certain the pickup of shavings will be 100%.

I tried leaving container in same location and replacing the short 4" hose from container to vac with a 36mm hose from container to CT 33.  This gave almost no suction at the Planer.  i did not try to use this system.

I then moved the container to the planer using my 4"x4' colecton hose from planer to container lid.  A 36mm x 5m hose from lid to CT 22.  this system worked with only slightly less efficiency than the original setup of using the Pennstate vac.  I think it might work once i figure how to seal the cyclone lid to the trash bucket. 

i was doing my experimenting with a piece of scrap 2x4 D-fir.  I do not have time right away to try wider pieces of wood, but will experiment later.  Also. I will try with the short length of 50mm hose that came with my boom.  This is a problem i have been thinking about for some time, but not taken the time to play with it.  I am slow with outside work for another couple of weeks, so I may find time sooner than later.
Tinker
 
Mike, my introduction to lake tahoe was in 1963 when i drove out to california on a 4 week trip.  i drove around tahoe on July 4th in a snow storm.  the water was real choppy with huge white caps.  needless to say, i was not very tempted for a swim.

Tinker
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Tinker,

Funny you should mention that because we just got our second snow of the season last night. Not much, but enough to scare me off my deck project today. The lake is never too inviting for a swim, at least not for a long one. It's pretty brisk year round. If you haven't been back since '63, you be amazed at the changes.

I'm guessing by the pricing I'm seeing on the cyclone units, it might be just about the same as buying one of the approx $350 dust collectors from Jet, Steel City, or Delta?
 
I'm using just the cyclone lids.  I tried hooking up the large lid with 4" inlet/outlets, but i can't get it to fit tight enough on the trash container to work 100% with the CT 22.  It works satisfactorilly with the Penn state vac.

I then brought over my 5gal bucket w/cyclone lid and hooked that up with CT 22.  With the 50mm short hose from planer to 5gal pail and a 36mmx5m hose from lid to CT, it worked perfectly until i flipped a circuit breaker.  i will need the services of my electrician before i can run the planer thru the CT, but that system works for DC.  i am sure it will work with properly fit large cyclone lid and 4" hose from planer to lid and 50mm hose from lid to CT22

I cannot see getting a cyclone such as the dust deputy or the clearvue when those cyclone lids work fine.  i can save the extra $$$ towards the Kapek and Domino.

My daughter was out to Tahoe a couple of years ago.  she took a few pics and i had to ask her if she was sure she was at the same Tahoe i had been to.  ???
Tinker
 
Wayne,

Does your planer have a built in impeller? I just looked at the lids in my Woodcraft catalog and they say not to use them with the impeller. I'm assuming that it pushes too much air to make it work right?

Mike
 
Tinker said:
I'm using just the cyclone lids.  I tried hooking up the large lid with 4" inlet/outlets, but i can't get it to fit tight enough on the trash container to work 100% with the CT 22.  It works satisfactorilly with the Penn state vac.

I then brought over my 5gal bucket w/cyclone lid and hooked that up with CT 22.  With the 50mm short hose from planer to 5gal pail and a 36mmx5m hose from lid to CT, it worked perfectly until i flipped a circuit breaker.  i will need the services of my electrician before i can run the planer thru the CT, but that system works for DC.  i am sure it will work with properly fit large cyclone lid and 4" hose from planer to lid and 50mm hose from lid to CT22

I cannot see getting a cyclone such as the dust deputy or the clearvue when those cyclone lids work fine.  i can save the extra $$$ towards the Kapek and Domino.

My daughter was out to Tahoe a couple of years ago.  she took a few pics and i had to ask her if she was sure she was at the same Tahoe i had been to.  ???
Tinker

Hi,

    Is the cyclone lid that you are talking about, one of those black plastic jobs that cost about $20 - $30 USD?  Kind of flat with a hump for the side by side in/out?

Seth
 
>>>Is the cyclone lid that you are talking about, one of those black plastic jobs that cost about $20 - $30 USD?  Kind of flat with a hump for the side by side in/out?
 
I know nothing about the built-in blower features of any lunchbox planers.  My old Belsaw unit was not a lunchbox design; it had a 3 HP induction motor with V-belts to the cutter head.  The only "blower action" was that due to rotation of the cutter head.  The chips were propelled as they were cut from the stock being planed/molded into the discharge collector nozzle which I hooked up to a Craftsman shop vac.  When planing a 12in wide X 12 ft long (KD oak) board, taking ~3/32in to 1/8in cut depth, I would have to empty the 16 gal vac cannister after one pass.  Since I had 600 BF to plane, I gave up on emptying that vac cannister, and opened the garage doors, and let the chips fly until I was done planing.  Then I shoveled the chips into my wheel barrow and carried them out, then vacuumed the garage. 

One comment on the less expensive, non-cyclone, impeller type collectors - many do not come equipped with bags that effectively capture fine dust.  Mine certainly did not.  My old Electra Beckum unit collects chips and sawdust quite well into a user-supplied plastic bag, but allows some of the finer dust to pass through its filter bag.  Higher quality bags and pleated filters are available for a price, but instead of upgrading mine, I purchased an Oneida cyclone.  If you want to upgrade to the pleated filters, your cost may be close to at half that of a true cyclone unit which should more effectively remove all the particles and run much longer between cleaning of the filters.  Also, the highest quality pleated filters are designed to easily release their filter cake, whereas conventional filter bags are not.

Dave R.
 
My planer does not have an impeller unless the blades themselves are classified as an impeller.  without the vac, chips fly with considerable force in all directions.  Before getting mt Pennstate vac, I would have quite a mess to cleanup.  I don't think i would use the 5gal setup except for emergency if the larger vac brokedown.  I am sure it would be a hassle eptying the 5gal bucket every few boards.  I have the planer hooked up to my 4" vac via the 30 gal container on a more or less permanent basis.  Since everything except possible the finest dust drops into the bucket before the air goes on to the vac, there is no fine airbourne dust flying around that would not be flying if the hookup was direct. Also, with the 4" hoses all the way, there are no chips escaping from the planer.  I do think that it does work best with the shortest run of hose from the planer to the container and the longest run from the container to the vac.  When I have run the vac as a direct hose from machine to vac, no container between, there does occur periodic clogging at the vac screen.  Now i use the container with cyclone lid, i have had (so far) no clogging. 
the major problem i have had with the PennState vac is that with the two bag system, i float a lot of dust into the air when ever it is emptied. Now, with the cyclone lid and 30 gal container, i will empty the vac bag at same time as I empty the container.  It will be much easier to transport without stirring up dust from the bag. 

As far as my other tools emptying into the 5gal bucket with only the finest dust going on into the CT, There is absolutely no fine dust flying around that i can detect.  The seal of the cyclone lid to the 5gal bucket is nearly air tight.  I am reasonably certain that all of the chips and sawdust sized paricles and a very large percentage of the finest dust is settling into the 5gal bucket.  i have not opened up the actual CT bags as of this report  The voluum of material I can see in the 5gal bucket after each work session i perceive to be nearly 100% of all sollids including fines.
Tinker
 
The DW-735 has an actual fan which is driven off the motor. It really pushes the chips. They warn you about hooking it up to a shop vac. I'm guessing that a dedicated, yet portable dust collector is what's called for. I see that Steel City has one with a 1 micron filter bag (washable) for $319. Does this seem to be in the same range as the other solutions that you're talking about?
 
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