ctl dust extractor max on board socket load

[ajones]

Hi all anybody know what the max load is on the onboard socket on the110v  ctl 26

 

[Forrest Anderson]

Hi all anybody know what the max load is on the onboard socket on the110v  ctl 26

The load capacity of 110V (this is a voltage often used by tradesmen in the UK) dust extractors is a tricky subject and has been covered before a few times (although perhaps not in reference to the new CT26/36 range)

The CT26/26 manual says:

Maximum appliance socket connected load:

EU - 2400 W
CH, DK - 1100 W
GB 240 V/110 V - 1800 W/ 500 W


So the official answer to the question, according to the manual, is 500W! As can be imagined, this restricts the use of the extractor somewhat!

This maximum wattage may also be marked on the socket itself, or the socket cover, or on a label nearby.

As regards previous discussions about this remarkably low capacity, here's one from 2007 regarding the MIDI and the TS55, but it's still relevant:

http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tools-accessories/midi-vac/

Forrest

 

[ajones]

hi Forrest.thanks for that,  I am suprised by that, its not much use is it. its no better than my ctl mini. so what extactor would you use with a of2200

 

[Forrest Anderson]

hi Forrest.thanks for that,  I am suprised by that, its not much use is it. its no better than my ctl mini. so what extactor would you use with a of2200

Indeed. Even a Rotex RO150 at 720W is above the 500W limit!

Another discussion about the matter is at Votage Question for USA owners?

Forrest

 

[ajones]

Well I was going to buy a ctl 26 on monday but I think thats on hold.........I was suprised when my mini arrived to see the 500watt max sticker when all the info I found said  2400 wat max socket load which is why I thought I would did a little deeper as the same 2400 watt spec was given for the ctl 26.

Festool.........I thought  it was a SYSTEM..................... cheesed off

 

[AlexThePalex]

Festool.........I thought  it was a SYSTEM..................... cheesed off

I think it has to do with the 110 volt system, and not the Festool system.

The power a machine draws in watts is defined as watts = voltage x amperage. If you have half the voltage you need double the amperage to get the same power to the machine. It is the amperage that makes electric wires run hot, not the voltage. Since all Festool tools are basically designed for usage on 220 volt systems, and not 110 volt, the wiring is not sufficient enough to sustain the higher amperage needed with 110 volt systems.

So before complaining about Festool, complain to your government and ask them to abolish the 110 volt system. It's completely redundant and just causes a lot of headaches. Here in The Netherlands and Germany we only have 220 volt and never a problem whatsoever.

 

[ajones]

This 110volt nonsense for uk sitework needs sorting out.
I bought a trend t11elk router and prt router table this was sold to me at a tool show by trend staff it was not untill I got it home and unpacked it.that I discovered that you could not use the no volt release switch on the table with the router...

I phoned trend and was told it should be ok.but it would be replaced within the first year if the switch failed.......
three months later the switch failed..
it was replaced but that meant I was unable too use the no volt switch from then on  which is far from idea

in a further conversation with a trend employee it transpired that they could not purchase a 110v switch with a heavy enough rating..

 

[ajones]

Hi with all due respect if you are in the bussiness of selling 110v tools they should be fit for purpose.and clearly rated and that informtion clearly displayed

 

[Brice Burrell]

Well I was going to buy a ctl 26 on monday but I think thats on hold.........I was suprised when my mini arrived to see the 500watt max sticker when all the info I found said  2400 wat max socket load which is why I thought I would did a little deeper as the same 2400 watt spec was given for the ctl 26.

Festool.........I thought  it was a SYSTEM..................... cheesed off

You really should have read the links provided. I'll be kind enough to save you the trouble. Here is a reply from Festool UK about the 110v Mini's wattage taken from Rob GB's post.

Thanks for all the effort to help get to the bottom of this dilemma, guys. It has now been resolved.  [big grin]
The following is a reply from Festool UK, I have edited out email addresses for obvious reasons and hope this post will help others as it is apparently a common question!  [eek]

RE: CTLMini Wattage‏
From:  *****@tooltechnicsystems.com  
Sent: 24 November 2009 14:37:02
To:  *****.co.uk

Good Afternoon Robert,

It is 2400w for both 110v and 240v. The sticker that states 500w is something that is done in our head quarters! This could be for other countries but for GB this is incorrect!
It is very safe to use your 110v TS55 with this 110v extractor.
Hope this helps,
Thanks
Kind Regards,
C********

So It looks like I'm all set to go and suck sawdust ;D

I'm sure the CT26 and CT36 are the same. Otherwise there would be no point in selling a vacuum made to be used with power tools if it can't handle the wattage.  

 

[ajones]

Hi Brice I thought I had read the various threads I still do not understand why festool is still applying these stickers
thank you for pointing it out for me

 

[ajones]

Well I was going to buy a ctl 26 on monday but I think thats on hold.........I was suprised when my mini arrived to see the 500watt max sticker when all the info I found said  2400 wat max socket load which is why I thought I would did a little deeper as the same 2400 watt spec was given for the ctl 26.

Festool.........I thought  it was a SYSTEM..................... cheesed off

You really should have read the links provided. I'll be kind enough to save you the trouble. Here is a reply from Festool UK about the 110v Mini's wattage taken from Rob GB's post.

Thanks for all the effort to help get to the bottom of this dilemma, guys. It has now been resolved.  [big grin]
The following is a reply from Festool UK, I have edited out email addresses for obvious reasons and hope this post will help others as it is apparently a common question!  [eek]

RE: CTLMini Wattage‏
From:  *****@tooltechnicsystems.com  
Sent: 24 November 2009 14:37:02
To:  *****.co.uk

Good Afternoon Robert,

It is 2400w for both 110v and 240v. The sticker that states 500w is something that is done in our head quarters! This could be for other countries but for GB this is incorrect!
It is very safe to use your 110v TS55 with this 110v extractor.
Hope this helps,
Thanks
Kind Regards,
C********

So It looks like I'm all set to go and suck sawdust ;D

I'm sure the CT26 and CT36 are the same. Otherwise there would be no point in selling a vacuum made to be used with power tools if it can't handle the wattage.  

I used to think things should make sense but have been proved wrong many times like the trend example above...........

 

[ajones]

Festool.........I thought  it was a SYSTEM..................... cheesed off

I think it has to do with the 110 volt system, and not the Festool system.

The power a machine draws in watts is defined as watts = voltage x amperage. If you have half the voltage you need double the amperage to get the same power to the machine. It is the amperage that makes electric wires run hot, not the voltage. Since all Festool tools are basically designed for usage on 220 volt systems, and not 110 volt, the wiring is not sufficient enough to sustain the higher amperage needed with 110 volt systems.

So before complaining about Festool, complain to your government and ask them to abolish the 110 volt system. It's completely redundant and just causes a lot of headaches. Here in The Netherlands and Germany we only have 220 volt and never a problem whatsoever.

Hi as I understand the armatures and field coils are wound differently for 110v and 240v machines

 

[AlexThePalex]

Festool.........I thought  it was a SYSTEM..................... cheesed off

I think it has to do with the 110 volt system, and not the Festool system.

The power a machine draws in watts is defined as watts = voltage x amperage. If you have half the voltage you need double the amperage to get the same power to the machine. It is the amperage that makes electric wires run hot, not the voltage. Since all Festool tools are basically designed for usage on 220 volt systems, and not 110 volt, the wiring is not sufficient enough to sustain the higher amperage needed with 110 volt systems.

So before complaining about Festool, complain to your government and ask them to abolish the 110 volt system. It's completely redundant and just causes a lot of headaches. Here in The Netherlands and Germany we only have 220 volt and never a problem whatsoever.

Hi as I understand the armatures and field coils are wound differently for 110v and 240v machines

True, but how about the rest of the wiring?