CXS and LiIon battery question

msweig

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So I have this old Ryobi drill (NiCad) and, not surprisingly, the battery is toast.  I could always replace the battery, but it seems crazy expensive considering how much I've never particularly cared for the drill.  I find it a bit big and unwieldy, and for anything where you might want something that big (say, drilling a large hole in maple), it never really seemed to work well.  It worked well for pilot holes and small screws, but that was it. 

My thought was to replace it with a small drill/driver.  Most of the time all I'm doing with a handheld drill is pilot holes and screws, or random stuff around the house, and if I need a larger hole I use a brace and bit, or use a drill press.  My first thought for a small driver was to just grab a Ridgid because of the lifetime battery replacement, but once I picked one up it just didn't feel well in my hand.  The thing that pains me with cordless drills is paying money for the battery replacement.  But, when I looked at the CXS I was surprised at the cost of the battery (as in much cheaper than I expected).  This is making me wonder if a CXS is a good choice for me (assuming it fits my hand well, which I can check by going to one of the local dealers).  What I'm curious on is how long can I expect that battery to last until I need to replace it?  Figure my use is going to be REALLY sporadic.  I could use it somewhat heavily for a couple days, and then not touch it for a couple months (If I just have one or two holes to drill I typically just grab one of my eggbeater drills, but then again part of the reason for that might be because I like them better than my Ryobi). 
 
I think that you'd be really happy with the CXS.  It's my drill of choice for the large majority of task - it doesn't have a shortage of power.

The new CXS comes with 2.4 Ah batteries, so they have twice the capacity of the old ones which never seemed to die anyways, and a 10mm (3/8") chuck, so it can handle all but the biggest bits.

My best answer for your question about the lifetime of the batteries is that we don't sell many replacement batteries at all.

The right angle attachment is nice for working in tight quarters, too.
 
The CXS is a great drill - since I got mine about 6 months ago, I find myself using it probably 80% of the time - ergonomics, light weight, power and fast charging are positives. The attachments - especially the right angle is absolutely a time saver - I have used it many times already.

One "downside" to the CXS - it hooks you on Festool quality - it did me anyway  [big grin]
 
I love the CXS, if mine died this morning, I'd have a new one by this afternoon...seriously, it works that well. Make sure you get the right angle chuck with it. It's surprising how many times I've needed to use mine.

I've got a couple of very lonely Milwaukees M18's just sitting in the basement since I purchased the CXS.

[member=9555]Chris Wong[/member]
FWIW...the chuck from the C 15 also fits the CXS so the capacity of the CXS can be increased to 1/2".
 
My cxs is nearly 3 yrs old and gets a battering , battery life is just as good so for occasional use you will be more than happy
 
Modern Li-Ion batteries last from 500 to 2000 charging cycles. It is really charging-discharging cycles (chemical reactions going inside) that matter, not so much the storage time.  I think Festool gives 3 year warranty also for the batteries, but I am not sure. They also guarantee availability of spare parts for 10 years. You can expect that with moderate use, your batteries should last at least 4-5 years, possibly longer. Eventually, you will see that their capacity will start decreasing, and then you may want to replace them - or will have to charge them more often. Unless the battery experiences internal failure, you will be able to use them after 10 years, I am sure, only the charge will not last long.

It is true that NiCd batteries are becoming more expensive because fewer and fewer of them are made. Li-Ion are not going anywhere in the observable future.

For comparison, laptop and cell phone batteries go through charging cycles daily. They noticeably lose capacity typically after 2 years of daily use, but have some residual capacity even after 5 years. You will use your drill much less and will charge the batteries much less often.

I recently bought an CXS drill. It is a beautiful little tool which is a pleasure to work with, light and nicely balanced. You will not regret if you buy it. Working with CXS is like driving a luxury vehicle after Geo Metro. You can do the same things, but the process becomes a pleasure rather than a chore.
 
I was in the same boat as you.  Now I have a CXS and a PDC.
Sounds like the CXS is exactly what you are looking for. 
The only negative I can think of is that the battery wobbles on the
previous model (don't know about new one).  Also, if you leave it in the systainer
in your car on a hot summer day, the magnetic bit storage could loosen
up on you.  Learn from my mistake.  [big grin]

It's perfect for screws you'll come across in all sorts of places.
It will do pilot holes just fine.  I do prefer the PDC for that.
But, alas, 3800 RPM...I mean...do you blame me?  [smile]

Make sure you get the kit with the right angle attachment.
You'll be surprised how often you end up using it.

 
PS - The batteries last what seems like an eternity before needing to be recharged. 
 
I think you'll be surprised how battery technology has moved on since your old Ryobi Ni Cad battery days, there's just no comparison between Ni Cad And Li lon batteries.
    I would be lucky if I got more than three years use out of my old Ni cads and that was using them most days. With Li Lon batteries I've got some old Makita 18v 3 amp batteries that are coming up for eight years old, these batteries are doing the same work as the old Ni Cads and they are still in use today.
It sounds like For what you are wanting to do with a drill, the CXS is a perfect choice.
 
You will be very pleased and your wrist will thank you for getting rid the the brick you currently use. Battery life is great. I leave one on my truck. I might use it a ton for installing ceiling fans, bifold doors or drilling pocket holes and then it will sit in my hot truck for a month until i need it again.
 
yetihunter said:
I was in the same boat as you.  Now I have a CXS and a PDC.
Sounds like the CXS is exactly what you are looking for. 
The only negative I can think of is that the battery wobbles on the
previous model (don't know about new one).  Also, if you leave it in the systainer
in your car on a hot summer day, the magnetic bit storage could loosen
up on you.
  Learn from my mistake.  [big grin]
[member=19475]yetihunter[/member]
What did you mean by the magnetic bit storage loosening up on a hot summer day?  Are you saying that the heat somehow affects the magnetic attraction?

Mike A.
 
Magnetized just fine. 
The bit storage part is a separate part from the two piece outer shell.
It's held in by friction fit, plus what appears to be some sort of metal pin or itty bitty screw and finally some sort of adhesive/cement.  Methinks one of the three didn't like the heat. 

It's not falling out or anything.  There's just some play.

Sincerely, I wouldn't worry about it. 
 
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