Dealer fast one

Foghat

Member
Joined
Mar 17, 2008
Messages
53
Hi,
I ordered an new carvex recently and have been patiently waiting for it to arrive at the dealers. I know that there are shortages after the recent rush to purchase things before the price increase. I was going to be in the area of Queen streetdowntown Toronto today so I thought I'd call and see if my saw was in yet. The clerk put me on hold and returned to say it was in and I could pick it up.
When I arrived the salesman said he was the guy I'd spoken with and he'd go get my saw. After I spoke with one of the other clerks, he reappeared with a case, slightly smudged and dusty on the top. He then proceeded to go and take a cable cutter to clip the cable holding a carvex on their display shelf and pops it into the systainer. I looked at the sawdust on the side, under the clear shield and along the foot. I asked why he was giving me a demo when I'd paid for a new one, "Oh, this just came in, we just did one cut with it for someone," he said. I asked why he'd do that with a new saw, and he repeated that it had just been used once and he took it to the cash. I said that it looked used to me, and joked that I could I get a discount since it's been used...that I didn't know whether it was used for one cut, or been there for awhile." The other clerk just looked and said, "No".
I spoke with one of the other clerks about something else I needed while the first guy took it to the cash, and then i went to get the saw. I looked inside the case and commented that I thought there should be a vacuum attachment in there...off he went to get that and returned with it.
Just then the manager stepped over to the counter and said, "Where'd you get that?" Which aroused even more suspicion about it. The clerk said "It just came in." To which the manager said, "We haven't had those in for a long time." I said, so this IS a demo. "You don't have to take this one if you want to wait for a new one" the clerk pipes in, to which I asked, "Why would you take a new saw, someone ordered, and use it to demo something?!"  The manager then said, "You can take this one to use until your new one comes in if you'd like."  I told them I didn't need it immediately and that I'd wait for a new one to arrive. I paid for the router bit I did need and left.
I felt really pissed off about that experience. Not only did I waste a trip all the way downtown to pick this up, but I was lied to and mislead more than once, by more than one employee, and they were trying to pull it off in front of their manager. When he asked "Where'd you get that?" it confirmed what was happening. My time was wasted, they lied and tried to take advantage of me. Not what Festool is about I should think!

I had recently purchased a number of Festool items from this dealer last summer and again this month just before the price increase, and several from Lee Valley up the street. Though not a professional carpenter, as a hobbyist, this is a very significant outlay of cash for me, a significant investment, because I appreciate the quality of these tools and the joy i got from using my first Festools I got last summer. I know that there are no "sales" at Festool, so the thing that differentiates buying them one place from the other is the customer experience, which comes down to the way a customer is treated. This is NOT how a Festool customer should be treated, or any customer for that matter!
I don't know if any of you other members have had this experience at this shop, but I simply put this up for your information, and awareness without prejudice...this is what happened.
 
I think I'd be taking all future business elsewhere, and in a big hurry, if I were treated that way.  You might want to identify that dealer to spare other Festool buyers from being subjected to the same situation. 

 
Somehow I doubt that there will be a need to mention the dealer's name here.  Festool monitors this Board closely.

Peter
 
You did mention that you were going in and you contacted them. To me this sounds like the actions of one ore two over zealous employees and certainly not the manager. If your saw had arrived it seems you would probably have been notified. I'd make a point of politely contacting store management and explaining your story so that they can educate their staff.

If the manager had been party to a deception I'd think differently of course!

Also, if commission is driving behaviour in the store they need to consider it's impact.
 
Sorry for not responding quicker. I was on the road traveling today and just got home.

John, please accept my apologies for your negative experience. This is certainly not what we strive for. We give our dealers guidelines and resources to provide good customer service, like not selling a used tool. I think that this is a situation like Kev eluded to where we have some rogue employees. My suspicion is that it was addressed with them after you left by the manager. I would recommend also contacting the owner to give your feedback because they may be completely unaware that this even happened. A similar situation was reported by another FOG member about a different dealer several months ago and after contacting the owner, it was addressed if you know what I mean.

Unfortunately, we have no control or oversight with this type of situation. While I will bring this to my colleague's attention who works with this dealer, that's about all I can do. If you're dissatisfied with what happened after you contact the owner, maybe consider choosing a different dealer.

There's only one dealer on that street in Toronto, so I feel like I know who it is. Feel free to contact me if you would like to share more details.

Again, sorry for the wasted time and for the poor experience.

Thanks,
Shane
sho@festoolusa.com
 
Brotherman,

I wouldnt of even bought the router bit.

I bought my MFT from a National Chain store and went there another time to buy a Kapex, kapex MFT, Kapex extension and crown stops.

I got such poor service I left and didnt buy anything and havent returned to buy a screw.

Lots of places want to take your money buddy, I go to the ones that recognize that me going to their store is a choice and I have many choices and show me they want my business.

Thats the same with Festool dealers, clothing stores, restaurants and any other business.
 
Foghat said:
Hi,
I ordered an new carvex recently and have been patiently waiting for it to arrive at the dealers. I know that there are shortages after the recent rush to purchase things before the price increase. I was going to be in the area of Queen streetdowntown Toronto today so I thought I'd call and see if my saw was in yet. The clerk put me on hold and returned to say it was in and I could pick it up.
When I arrived the salesman said he was the guy I'd spoken with and he'd go get my saw. After I spoke with one of the other clerks, he reappeared with a case, slightly smudged and dusty on the top. He then proceeded to go and take a cable cutter to clip the cable holding a carvex on their display shelf and pops it into the systainer. I looked at the sawdust on the side, under the clear shield and along the foot. I asked why he was giving me a demo when I'd paid for a new one, "Oh, this just came in, we just did one cut with it for someone," he said. I asked why he'd do that with a new saw, and he repeated that it had just been used once and he took it to the cash. I said that it looked used to me, and joked that I could I get a discount since it's been used...that I didn't know whether it was used for one cut, or been there for awhile." The other clerk just looked and said, "No".
I spoke with one of the other clerks about something else I needed while the first guy took it to the cash, and then i went to get the saw. I looked inside the case and commented that I thought there should be a vacuum attachment in there...off he went to get that and returned with it.
Just then the manager stepped over to the counter and said, "Where'd you get that?" Which aroused even more suspicion about it. The clerk said "It just came in." To which the manager said, "We haven't had those in for a long time." I said, so this IS a demo. "You don't have to take this one if you want to wait for a new one" the clerk pipes in, to which I asked, "Why would you take a new saw, someone ordered, and use it to demo something?!"  The manager then said, "You can take this one to use until your new one comes in if you'd like."   I told them I didn't need it immediately and that I'd wait for a new one to arrive. I paid for the router bit I did need and left.
I felt really ticked off about that experience. Not only did I waste a trip all the way downtown to pick this up, but I was lied to and mislead more than once, by more than one employee, and they were trying to pull it off in front of their manager. When he asked "Where'd you get that?" it confirmed what was happening. My time was wasted, they lied and tried to take advantage of me. Not what Festool is about I should think!

I had recently purchased a number of Festool items from this dealer last summer and again this month just before the price increase, and several from Lee Valley up the street. Though not a professional carpenter, as a hobbyist, this is a very significant outlay of cash for me, a significant investment, because I appreciate the quality of these tools and the joy i got from using my first Festools I got last summer. I know that there are no "sales" at Festool, so the thing that differentiates buying them one place from the other is the customer experience, which comes down to the way a customer is treated. This is NOT how a Festool customer should be treated, or any customer for that matter!
I don't know if any of you other members have had this experience at this shop, but I simply put this up for your information, and awareness without prejudice...this is what happened.

I can understand your disappointment, I can only add that I have dealt with this store several times and received customer service above and beyond anywhere else. I drive 2 hrs just to shop there. It's sounds like the manager tried to do the right thing once alerted to the situation.
 
"where we have some rouge employees"

Come on Shane, not everyone has naturally pink cheeks like you. Some need a little make-up.
 
jimbo51 said:
"where we have some rouge employees"

Come on Shane, not everyone has naturally pink cheeks like you. Some need a little make-up.

Ha! Oops.  [embarassed] A little typo there. Rogue.
 
Foghat said:
I had recently purchased a number of Festool items from this dealer last summer and again this month just before the price increase, and several from Lee Valley up the street.

Stick with Lee Valley next time.....can't go wrong with LV when it comes to customer service.

My [2cents]
 
Foghat said:
Hi,
I ordered an new carvex recently and have been patiently waiting for it to arrive at the dealers. I know that there are shortages after the recent rush to purchase things before the price increase. I was going to be in the area of Queen streetdowntown Toronto today so I thought I'd call and see if my saw was in yet. The clerk put me on hold and returned to say it was in and I could pick it up.
When I arrived the salesman said he was the guy I'd spoken with and he'd go get my saw. After I spoke with one of the other clerks, he reappeared with a case, slightly smudged and dusty on the top. He then proceeded to go and take a cable cutter to clip the cable holding a carvex on their display shelf and pops it into the systainer. I looked at the sawdust on the side, under the clear shield and along the foot. I asked why he was giving me a demo when I'd paid for a new one, "Oh, this just came in, we just did one cut with it for someone," he said. I asked why he'd do that with a new saw, and he repeated that it had just been used once and he took it to the cash. I said that it looked used to me, and joked that I could I get a discount since it's been used...that I didn't know whether it was used for one cut, or been there for awhile." The other clerk just looked and said, "No".
I spoke with one of the other clerks about something else I needed while the first guy took it to the cash, and then i went to get the saw. I looked inside the case and commented that I thought there should be a vacuum attachment in there...off he went to get that and returned with it.
Just then the manager stepped over to the counter and said, "Where'd you get that?" Which aroused even more suspicion about it. The clerk said "It just came in." To which the manager said, "We haven't had those in for a long time." I said, so this IS a demo. "You don't have to take this one if you want to wait for a new one" the clerk pipes in, to which I asked, "Why would you take a new saw, someone ordered, and use it to demo something?!"  The manager then said, "You can take this one to use until your new one comes in if you'd like."   I told them I didn't need it immediately and that I'd wait for a new one to arrive. I paid for the router bit I did need and left.
I felt really ticked off about that experience. Not only did I waste a trip all the way downtown to pick this up, but I was lied to and mislead more than once, by more than one employee, and they were trying to pull it off in front of their manager. When he asked "Where'd you get that?" it confirmed what was happening. My time was wasted, they lied and tried to take advantage of me. Not what Festool is about I should think!

I had recently purchased a number of Festool items from this dealer last summer and again this month just before the price increase, and several from Lee Valley up the street. Though not a professional carpenter, as a hobbyist, this is a very significant outlay of cash for me, a significant investment, because I appreciate the quality of these tools and the joy i got from using my first Festools I got last summer. I know that there are no "sales" at Festool, so the thing that differentiates buying them one place from the other is the customer experience, which comes down to the way a customer is treated. This is NOT how a Festool customer should be treated, or any customer for that matter!
I don't know if any of you other members have had this experience at this shop, but I simply put this up for your information, and awareness without prejudice...this is what happened.
I have had nothing but great service from them. Every time I go downtown, 1 hour away coming from Markham and fighting the DVP, I always drop in and they have been extremely helpful and knowledgable on all of the products they represent. I think you got unlucky with a newbie sales rep. My latest experience with them was second to none. I walked into my dealer ready to buy a Kapex and unfortunately he did not have one for me to take home. He told me that he was expecting stock from Festool in about a week and asked me for a down payment to hold one when they came in. Now, I hate giving money to someone and not going home with something so I turned him down. So I went home. The next day I went back to pick up some sandpaper and guess what was waiting for me, a brand new Kapex. He told me that he had borrowed it from the dealer downtown and had it shipped up just for me. I think the Festool dealer rep is the one that delivered it. Too make a long story short, I paid him and went home with a large container of Kool-Aid. If it wasn't for  the dealer in question I would not have gone home with a Kapex. Thanks for the great service, you know who you are.
 
When I order Fetool items from Rockler in Schaumburg IL I have to pay up front but I do get an receipt at the time of order and a call when the product comes in.

It sounds like an employee did not place the original order and is trying to make up for it in a less than acceptable manner.

Right now I am waiting for an MFT/3 ordered before April 1st. I ordered it along with a TS 55 REQ. The TS 55 was in stock.
 
Thank you for your feedback and bringing this to my attention. It's unfortunate that you had this negative experience at our store. We at Atlas Machinery take this matter very seriously. We pride ourselves in respect, honesty and transparency with our customers.  Our customers are the most important part of our business. Quality service has been essential in our existence since 1954 and is necessary for us to survive another 60 years. We do not sell used or demo tools as new tools. As management I will personally be involved in following up with this matter. Atlas Machinery and our staff strive for excellence. On behalf of Atlas Machinery and our team I would like to apologize.
Thank You
Shawn Ederman
 
I'd like to take the opportunity to apologize to the employees of Atlas for the use of the phrase "rogue employees".

In retrospect, I should have used different wording to convey what I was trying to say. Which was that the dealer (Atlas) probably was not aware of what had happened and would frown upon this situation. I knew that it was Atlas and I know Shawn well enough to know that he has demonstrated exceptional customer service in the past.

My intention was to defend the dealer, who was unknown to most at that point, by saying that I didn't think it was their intention to give Foghat a demo tool when he paid for a new tool.

So, sorry if I may have said something that was interpreted in any other way, or that I was casting the employees of Atlas in a negative way.

Shane
 
On the contrary Shane, by the sounds of it the mentioned employees deserved calling out. It also sounds like the store manager was adamant that the customer not leave with a used tool that was presented as "new". Kudos also to Shawn for standing forth and (for want of a better word) "admitting" that it was his store in question. I'm aware of Atlas through internet searches but have never made the trek. When I do it'll will be with confidence that management will see that I am treated fairly and honestly. In Canada it is sometimes hard to find specialty tools and equipment, though it is getting better. Not so long ago it was take what you can get and pay exorbitant prices.  Now it is changing to the customers advantage and customer service is king.
 
This is why I buy Festool's online, I ordered a MFT right before the price change and I found a dealer online that had one, Bob Marino, with free shipping and lack of tax why would I buy from my local dealer that is not the easiest to deal with. Since I am younger than some here I think that has something to do with the level of service I get from my local store. I hope the store gets it right in the end but for me. I don't leave the store with out what I paid for.
 
(Snip)
On behalf of Atlas Machinery and our team I would like to apologize.
Thank You
Shawn Ederman
[/quote]

That was an excellent response.  One the marks of a good dealer is how they deal with a mistake.  Coming out and unabashedly apologizing is the right thing to do.
RWW
 
This is my first post and I'm more than happy for it to be one of sharing my exceptional service I've had from Atlas. It's only recently that I began using them as I'm 45 mins away without traffic (or 2 hours in Toronto rush hour), and I must say it's worth the drive. As a newbie to Festool J.M. has been very helpful in guiding me and even personally called me the day he got notice of the price increase so I had plenty of time to plan my purchases and cash flow. For each of my several trips and purchases I called ahead to make sure my big ticket items were there and all went smoothly. I had a full LR32 kit held for me for my next trip in a couple of weeks and on my way home J.M. called me to ask my permission to sell it to a customer who was in the store.  They called to ask my permission to sell something to a live customer even though I never put a deposit on it just had them hold it for me and offered me a free hat as a thank you, which I still need to pick up. That's the level of integrity I have experienced in my dealings with them.
 
Back
Top