Designed a small and affordable miter saw station

ryanjg117

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Fooled you.

I've been kicking around the idea of using aluminum extrusion for SysPorts and finally found a (relatively) affordable vendor: Misumi. This design uses their 30x30mm extrusions, which are significantly more affordable than the next size up (40x40) yet plenty strong for this application. I'm expecting the extrusions to cost in the ballpark of $500 for this project, which really isn't bad and significantly less expensive than 80/20 Inc. Of course, it's the fittings that kill you, but I'm using either the most affordable brackets Misumi offers or re-using some existing hardware (t-nuts, screws, etc) to try to keep the costs down.

I've sized this to perfectly house the Kapex in the middle, with the plywood overhang mating right up against the edges of the Kapex work surface. Height of the miter saw mount can be adjusted easily, and also replaced in the future for a different saw. I toyed with some dust collection shrouds or a downdraft table, which I can always add later, but decided to keep it simple [eek] for now.

This is a really long assembly (almost 15 feet long), designed to take up my entire back wall of the shop. Yet I still wanted occasional mobility, so I added some ball transfer switches (which I just recently discovered, super cool as they are extremely low profile but many are able to take a lot of weight) and leveling pads that screw into the bottom of each extrusion.

Of course, the appeal of aluminum extrusions is total flexibility in mounting the 31x SYS-AZ drawers. I'm planning on mounting the bottom drawers first, then using a plywood sheet as a spacer to ensure a consistent gap between each cabinet. Spacing at the top will be variable, which is fine as I'll need to provide some space underneath the perforated top for clamps to pass through without interfering with the systainers. The spacing between each extrusion will be a perfect 427mm, driven by the CNC holes on the top and bottom plywood panels.

One problem I've always had with my homemade SysPorts is balance. My first SysPort is always threatening to tip forward if I just look at it wrong. A follow-up design I made had some hidden storage shelves on the back, just to counterbalance it. In this case, I also ended up with substantial space behind the drawers due to the overall depth of the work surface. I wanted a 22" deep countertop to allow for storage of, sadly, additional systainers along the back if necessary. I've tried to put that back space to use with some rail storage and shelves for longer items like straight edges.

I'm aiming to cut the plywood and acrylic for the flag stop with a Shaper Origin.

I'm not going to tackle this project for another month or so, but interested in getting any input or design improvements now. Happy to share the 3D or DXFs files and material list if there is interest.
 

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ryanjg117 said:
Fooled you.
Till some moments ago I liked you...

BTW: all images are broken, please use an image host that works or (preferably) upload them to the forum.
 
Gregor said:
BTW: all images are broken, please use an image host that works or (preferably) upload them to the forum.

I second that... I want pictures  [wink]
 
You're showing off, Ryan!  That looks great.

Why not go full width with the fence t-tracks? 

One downside of your approach is the sawdust from every project filters down into the systainers below given the holes.  You might consider some masonite dust panels above the stacks.  1/4" would still allow clamp use but give you an easy way to clean up. 

Alternatively, go to t-track across parts of the top rather than the holes. 
 
Very nice design  [thumbs up]

One suggestion i can bring is about the fence. Do you have the fence mainly for repeatability? If so I suggest to do what Make something did on his mite saw station.



A fence is often useful but it can fool you [tongue]
 
Hi All,

I did something similar with 80/20.  I got the 80/20 for free so I could justify it.  I added a top section for even more storage.  What do you think?

Trevin
 

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[jawdrop] The top is all made of extrusion? [jawdrop]

No doubt it's sturdy  [big grin] and a lot of storage  [thumbs up]

Love the T-Lock drawer pulls  [smile]
 
>>>This is a really long assembly (almost 15 feet long), designed to take up my entire back wall of the shop.
 
[member=51886]ryanjg117[/member] , that's an impressive project. Will be very interested in seeing pictures as your build progresses. I think you state your top is 22" deep. Can you share the depth of your extrusion framework? Would love to see a cut list of both aluminum and mdf(?) if you have one.
Thanks.
 
Mario Turcot said:
One suggestion i can bring is about the fence. Do you have the fence mainly for repeatability? If so I suggest to do what Make something did on his mite saw station.
Fenceless fence is a nice idea, but I would set the T-track back so I can have multiple flipstops.

I also thought about using extrusions, but find the pricing a bit prohibitive compared to using wood, screws and glue. But should I ever decide to build something from extrusions I would likely go for the Item Automatic Fastening Sets as they're mounted out of the way, moveable, can be installed without the need for profile machining (no extra drilling and such, just screw into the end of the slots of the profile) and are only [blink] around 6€ per 90° connection (one which goes into both opposing sides of the profile).
You might know these, a small version of them is used in the Festool MFS.
 
Looks great and I love the flip stop!  I'm used the 30mm Misumi extrusions, although not to the same extent. Any chance you could happen to have part #'s for the parts used for the flip stop?
 
hi,  i really liked the designs.  Do you mind sharing the most important dimensions?
tks
 
[member=51886]ryanjg117[/member]  Did you get this built?  I'd love to see the BOM and any drawings or 3d models you have.  Thanks
 
Mario Turcot said:
Very nice design  [thumbs up]

One suggestion i can bring is about the fence. Do you have the fence mainly for repeatability? If so I suggest to do what Make something did on his mite saw station.



A fence is often useful but it can fool you [tongue]

It looks like you can move the fence in and out which in theory would make the fence a non-issue. I would agree with you though and just do a no fence design like Make Something. Woodpeckers has a nice stop block system I saw that might work but hard to go wrong with Make Something's Walnut stop block haha.
 
My fence-less station is mobile and narrow (in depth), and it is a knock-down version, so it is taken apart unless I need to saw long stock. If yours is built as a fixed station, the fence-less design gives valuable top surface for assembly and clamping work. Another benefit of the fence-less system is that it lets you handle long but imperfect stock more easily.
 
ChuckS said:
If yours is built as a fixed station, the fence-less design gives valuable top surface for assembly and clamping work. Another benefit of the fence-less system is that it lets you handle long but imperfect stock more easily.

Mine is quite deep, a side-effect of the DeWalt saw that I use, it requires that. It is a fence type with the Kreg top-track and stops, but since seeing the Woodpeckers folding stop, I'm thinking of a re-design.
I have always set the fence back of the saw's fence, just for the reason you mentioned, but totally fenceless and embracing the size of the deck is intriguing.
I'm thinking about swapping to a Makita and selling the DeWalt, which would probably take some modifications anyway.
 
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