Dewalt 20V v's 18V nailers ... please explain

[Kev]

From what I can see here in Oz we have the DCN692 and DCN660 in 18V only [mad]

The tools look identical. Are there actually any differences or is it simply batteries with more oomph and cosmetics?

Does a "B" on the end indicate 20V ?

The Dewalt Oz website doesn't appear to have been updated for a long time and my nearest Dewalt reseller is VERY shonky. I'm not going to pay a premium to buy old Dewalt stock in Oz, that's for certain.

I suppose my obvious question is whether the charger is multi voltage (110~240V) ? ... and do I really want to add bright yellow tools to my kit [scared]

 

[Bohdan]

... and do I really want to add bright yellow tools to my kit [scared]

I would think that yellow and green would feel at home in a Aussi workshop.

 

[demographic]

I could be wrong but someone recently told me that its the way the batteries are measured.
De-Walt in the US measures them slightly differently.

From what I hear its the same batteries.

 

[Kev]

I could be wrong but someone recently told me that its the way the batteries are measured.
De-Walt in the US measures them slightly differently.

From what I hear its the same batteries.

[member=51145]demographic[/member]

That makes a lot of sense ... can't see them duplicating the entire range in 18 and 20 volt [huh]

This is the local bundle on offerhttps://adelaidetools.com.au/cordle...ess-2-piece-nailer-combo-kit-dcz266p2-xe.html and I can't imagine this is actually "old stock".

Supporting your theory, the Dewalt US website only currently lists 20V models of the DCN6xx range.

 

[demographic]

Currently I think De-Walt has a pretty comprehensive lineup of tools.
Another subcontractor I sometimes work alongside bought a huge amount of them in a kit and I can't fault them.
He's got cordless combi drill, SDS drill, circular saw (nice one with left side blade), good jigsaw, multitool which is the nicest one I've used yet) a grinder, good short body length impact screwdriver with lights on the front that actually light things up.

Few other rools I can't remember and I'm no De-Walt fanboi but personally I feel they have really upped their game recently.

 

[Holmz]

I did not voltage had an imperial unit system, I thought it was all SI units.

 

[Kev]

I did not voltage had an imperial unit system, I thought it was all SI units.

[member=40772]Holmz[/member] ahh but we measure volts at the rear wheels in Oz [wink]

If the 20V and 18V batteries have the same cell configuration it may be a "marketing voltage" where the cells used may be judged to be ~10% more efficient.

Strange that they make 18 to 20 volt tool adaptors though [eek]

I need to run the meter over the Metabo 5.2 Li and 6.2 LiHD batteries. I suspect the LiHD's may be a slightly higher voltage.

 

[bobfog]

Most 18v Lithium powertool batteries are made up of 5 x 3.6v 18560 cells wired in series to give 18v (3.6x5 =18). I believe 3.6v per cell is a nominal or average value of what the cell can provide over a certain portion of its discharge.

When you fully charge a battery that's 3.6 v it might put out a maximum of 3.8v for a short while so 3.8x x 5 = 20v, i.e. you have your 20v MAX as per Dewalt marketing. Equally they might go down to say 2.7v when they are almost empty so and the electronic protection circuit shuts the tool down. So, technically Dewalt could label their tools (2.7 x 5 = 13.5) 13.5v MIN tools, but I doubt their marketing dept would approve [big grin]

 

[bobfog]

I did not voltage had an imperial unit system, I thought it was all SI units.

[member=40772]Holmz[/member] ahh but we measure volts at the rear wheels in Oz [wink]

If the 20V and 18V batteries have the same cell configuration it may be a "marketing voltage" where the cells used may be judged to be ~10% more efficient.

Strange that they make 18 to 20 volt tool adaptors though [eek]

I need to run the meter over the Metabo 5.2 Li and 6.2 LiHD batteries. I suspect the LiHD's may be a slightly higher voltage.

Almost certain LiHD is just marketing and they will both be Samsung 18560 cells. That is certainly the case with Milwaukee's Lithium vs their RED Lithium.

 

[DB10]

From what I can see here in Oz we have the DCN692 and DCN660 in 18V only [mad]

The tools look identical. Are there actually any differences or is it simply batteries with more oomph and cosmetics?

Does a "B" on the end indicate 20V ?

The Dewalt Oz website doesn't appear to have been updated for a long time and my nearest Dewalt reseller is VERY shonky. I'm not going to pay a premium to buy old Dewalt stock in Oz, that's for certain.

I suppose my obvious question is whether the charger is multi voltage (110~240V) ? ... and do I really want to add bright yellow tools to my kit [scared]

[member=13058]Kev[/member]  Here in Aus we have The DCN 692 which Is a 2 speed Framing nailer and also the slightly older DCN 690 which is a single speed Framing nailer, the difference between the two models is with the 2 speed nailer you can lower the oomph when using shorter nails, the 692 comes with 2 X 5ah batteries where as the 690 came with 2 X 4ah batteries and then there's the DCN660 which is a 2nd fix nailer (16 gauge). This comes with 2 X 5ah batteries.
As bobfog explained both 18v and 20v max Dewalt batteries are indeed the same, just a marketing ploy in America. Same thing happened with the smaller 10.8v battery tools suddenly Bosch and a few others Started marketing them as 12v which now has become the norm, but we know they are still 10.8v. Not sure why Dewalt didn't try to push the 20v tag in Europe maybe it's because the 18v was already too established.

 

[Jaybolishes]

I heard there is a law in Europe which doesn't allow dewalt to use the 20v label on their batteries.  America has no problem with greedy lying labels on products aparently.  But is it really a lie when at peak charge under no load it reads 20 volts on a meter?  The 20v batteries did create less confusion when they came out with their latest battery pack I guess, for there were already other 18v batteries in their tools lineup.  Now you know if it's a 20v battery it is indeed their latest model.  I have just about every 20v and as a contractor using them daily, they are really great tools.  The brushless 1/2" impact wrench is amazingly powerful if you want something strong enough to remove skidsteer lug nuts or other auto situations. Totally unrelated but it's really awesome.

 

[Mort]

It's not so much a lie as creative marketing. My theory goes as follows: DeWalt had the tried-and-true 18v line with the stem style batteries, and they needed to upgrade to a slide-style. So as not to confuse the American consumer (which is easy to do), they labeled their new system 20v to distinguish the two. It doesn't hurt that the number is a bit bigger than everybody else's too.

 

[Kev]

It's not so much a lie as creative marketing. My theory goes as follows: DeWalt had the tried-and-true 18v line with the stem style batteries, and they needed to upgrade to a slide-style. So as not to confuse the American consumer (which is easy to do), they labeled their new system 20v to distinguish the two. It doesn't hurt that the number is a bit bigger than everybody else's too.

I think that's likely .. so it would appear that Dewalt just ran into "legal red tape" with their 20V pitch in other countries then?

I'd be really curious about Dewalt's market globally as a percentage relative to the US market.

 

[Mort]

I'd say that's it. Don't you guys have 10.8v tools there? It's all 12v here. Advertising laws are pretty lax in the US it seems.

 

[Holmz]

So they could relabel them as 18V and sell them...
Which makes one wonder...

 

[Holmz]

I did not voltage had an imperial unit system, I thought it was all SI units.

[member=40772]Holmz[/member] ahh but we measure volts at the rear wheels in Oz [wink]

That seem mean spirited toward FWD owners. But I checked and all mine have a drive shaft or a transaxle

 

[Kev]

I'd say that's it. Don't you guys have 10.8v tools there? It's all 12v here. Advertising laws are pretty lax in the US it seems.

[member=46908]Mort[/member] it's mostly labelled 12V by all major brands.

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Just got a response from a local Dewalt dealer. 20V Max and 18V slide Dewalt is identical in every respect apart from the badges!!!