DeWalt DWE7491rs vs Bosch 4100-09
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I only used a Dewalt saw once about four years ago and can't comment on it. By and large I'm happy with the Bosch 4100 as a portable jobsite table saw.
I'm not about to bring it inside someone's occupied home or up a set of stairs to a bedroom, but it is a very portable, quick set-up from truck to lawn and folds into a fairly compact size. Someday I may put hard rubber tires that don't go flat on the stand. The gravity rise stand is very stable. I had a Hitachi on a folding stand that was close to tipping over when larger boards went through it at too fast a feed rate.
Enough about the stand. I really like the soft start motor. It's a step up from the direct drive screamers that populate this class of tool. The fence is reliable. I don't ask more of this saw than ripping boards, so I'm using a 24 tooth blade. The cut is not as clean as a cabinet saw, but could be improved with a better blade perhaps.
I'm not about to bring it inside someone's occupied home or up a set of stairs to a bedroom, but it is a very portable, quick set-up from truck to lawn and folds into a fairly compact size. Someday I may put hard rubber tires that don't go flat on the stand. The gravity rise stand is very stable. I had a Hitachi on a folding stand that was close to tipping over when larger boards went through it at too fast a feed rate.
Enough about the stand. I really like the soft start motor. It's a step up from the direct drive screamers that populate this class of tool. The fence is reliable. I don't ask more of this saw than ripping boards, so I'm using a 24 tooth blade. The cut is not as clean as a cabinet saw, but could be improved with a better blade perhaps.
I have hooked it up to a 2.5" shop-vac. The blade is more enclosed than some, but without top of table collection it's not going to be up to Festool dust collection standards. Included is a picture of my outfeed and dust collection. In the case of Koma (plastic) I actually open the dust collection baffle to avoid a build up that can kill the motor - less of an issue with a sharp blade - but the plastic can melt on cut and re-solidify as a stringy clump. I do mostly remodel work and the saw stays outdoors for the most part. I think there is still room for improvement in this tool category, but I'm mostly happy with it and I choose my battles. For cabinetry, glue line rips, etc. I'm using a cast iron cabinet saw in a shop hooked to a 4" dust port, etc. Friends of mine even take their cabinet saws to their jobsites because they can't afford diminished performance. My jobs are usually smaller so I value portability and ease of set-up.
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I have the Dewalt 7491rs. Bought it new from Toolnut. I asked Dougie which one was better...and, he said the DeWalt. It's a good saw. Dust collection is OK...might be better when I shorten the hose. I don't use the blade guard much, but use the riving knife all of the time. At first, I didn't like that it didn't have soft-start... and, was so loud...but, I'm over that now...thanks to 3M Peltors. I use an Incra miter gauge for angles and the micro-grippers for thin strips. I'm kinda miffed that the dado throat plate is still not available. But, since have started using the OF1400 with the guide rail and Whiteside bits.
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I have a DW744XRS- similar older model. I love the fence and location of push stick,opposite side of fence. I find it lacks in power, maybe just my model. I also own the Bosch,it seems to have more power and nicer stand. Dust collection are comparable between units.
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i used to own the bosch 4100, i never disliked it but also never loved it.... i recently swapped it out for a dewalt dw745 happy i did
i work on site and have a tool trailer where space is valuable.. the bosch with the gravity rise stand was huge! just too big to move easily around a jobsite.
the gravity rise is nice but has its flaws, my tires were tubeless and went flat non stop, i eventually found tubes that would fit and installed them, i think bosch actually sells it with tubes now also my frame started to deform and there was no way to level the table (not even close) had to preform some surgery to fix that up also the bosch had nice power and the soft start was nice but i think the dewalt is just as powerful and i dont really miss the soft start
dust collection is similar between the two was about equal, maybe 75% (one of dewalts newest models has some new dust collection features (better blade enclosure, not sure if thats the model your looking at)
im not a dewalt guy at all, this is actually my first and only dewalt purchase, i think they have there stuff together when it comes to table saws
John
i work on site and have a tool trailer where space is valuable.. the bosch with the gravity rise stand was huge! just too big to move easily around a jobsite.
the gravity rise is nice but has its flaws, my tires were tubeless and went flat non stop, i eventually found tubes that would fit and installed them, i think bosch actually sells it with tubes now also my frame started to deform and there was no way to level the table (not even close) had to preform some surgery to fix that up also the bosch had nice power and the soft start was nice but i think the dewalt is just as powerful and i dont really miss the soft start
dust collection is similar between the two was about equal, maybe 75% (one of dewalts newest models has some new dust collection features (better blade enclosure, not sure if thats the model your looking at)
im not a dewalt guy at all, this is actually my first and only dewalt purchase, i think they have there stuff together when it comes to table saws
John
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These Peltors
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CPCHBCQ/ref=oh_details_o08_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Yes, the Incra 1000HD
The Freud Diablo 40 tooth
BTW, the stand is excellent. Fence is good. No metric tape.
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CPCHBCQ/ref=oh_details_o08_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
Yes, the Incra 1000HD
The Freud Diablo 40 tooth
BTW, the stand is excellent. Fence is good. No metric tape.
Guy's, Dust collection on a table saw is very difficult at best unless you have collection above and below the blade. Saw Stop offers a TS with dust collection in the cabinet and an overhead arm for top collection. Without both dust extraction is difficult but you do have to sacrifice something for the excellent cutting ability of a table saw.
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I have a 4100 at home, I am a hobbyist but I use it in my garage. I had to purchase a dust bag from Woodcraft that fits the bottom of the bosch for contractor saws. Attaches with Velcro and I covered up some of the other holes with tape to channel more of the dust into the chutes. This improved dust collection greatly. Also I added a 40 tooth freud and cuts are much cleaner. Still have some tear out if I push too fast and only to the end of the cut. I am in the process of building/buying zero clearance inserts.
Just my ¢2.
Cheers,
Oscar
Just my ¢2.
Cheers,
Oscar
For Hunter,
Here are the pics from the other sides of the outfeed table. The support shelf is dropped a very strong 1 3/8" below the table surface - to accommodate the thickness of the hollow core door that I salvaged for a portable outfeed table. I usually use a festool clamp on one side and 3/4" ply fits snuggly in the miter slot of the other side. There is no interference with the cord or dust port and I like to leave a bit of room for the fence.
Here are the pics from the other sides of the outfeed table. The support shelf is dropped a very strong 1 3/8" below the table surface - to accommodate the thickness of the hollow core door that I salvaged for a portable outfeed table. I usually use a festool clamp on one side and 3/4" ply fits snuggly in the miter slot of the other side. There is no interference with the cord or dust port and I like to leave a bit of room for the fence.
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w802h said:
Cool, thank you.
For the OP: I have the 4100 and it's done everything I've asked. The soft-start is nice, the dust collection is a step in the right direction but not even close to "clean", and the power has been enough to do whatever I need (including dados) as long as I have sharp blades and feed at a reasonable rate. My only issue is that you need two or three people for big boards (2x12 20' long rafter rip, 4x8 3/4" Plywood), because without a good solid long/heavy table the cuts get tippy with long and heavy stuff. I bet w802h's stand really helps with that...
- Hunter
