Festool CSC SYS 50 Long Term Pro Review?

noahpurdy

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Hey all.

This saw has been out a few years now but information that isn't just drivel from influencers has been hard to find. Are there any pro's that have been using this unit in the field able to comment on how it's held up? I primarily work in historic homes doing custom cabinetry and for installations this unit is very intriguing to me but I got scared off initially because of the QA issues. Anyways, looking to see if any pro's are using one or if I should just stick with my DeWalt. Less interested in holding straight edges and angle gauges to it or worrying about a few thou dip in the table and more interested in results and durability.

Thanks.
 
You might have a look at the video of the two British Peters - Peter Parfitt and Peter Millard. They've been using the SYS 50 for well over a year now and have had positive things to day about it. And perhaps with any luck, Peter Parfitt might be able to lend his thoughts here.

And I recently had a brief conversation with one of the YouTubers who had both the SYS 50 and a larger SawStop and asked what he used the SYS 50 for, when and how he liked it. I think it was Keith Johnson, but I can't be 100% certain. The person said they used it more for precision cuts and really liked the saw.
 
Not a pro.  I'm doing my own home which is 1920s.  That said, I don't use it for that since there's not a straight line here :P  It is a nice saw, but I use it mostly for cutting smaller things I can't with the TS55.  I can see a use for it doing filler strips, but I don't have the space here for doing that with a table saw, and I can do it quicker with the TS55.  If this was set up as a semi-perm station, I would feel differently.

For jobsite use.... you'll want the cart.  The bed is too small. 

This video from 'not an influencer' might help tip you in the right direction past the dewalt.


I pretty much concur with everything he says.
 
I think he pretty much nailed it!

For me it's an incredibly convenient and useful tool, and to have a slider on a machine this size is nothing short of sensational.
 
One more thing I found surprisingly nice on the CSC was the kerf marking on the bed.  It is in line with the blade, which takes out typically one step in figuring out where to cut/position stuff.  You don't NEED to sightline the blade (so the guard can stay on and is not 'in the way').
 
woodferret said:
One more thing I found surprisingly nice on the CSC was the kerf marking on the bed.  It is in line with the blade, which takes out typically one step in figuring out where to cut/position stuff.  You don't NEED to sightline the blade (so the guard can stay on and is not 'in the way').

Any saw owner can scribe the kerf mark on their table saw with a fine awl or knife. I did that on my SawStop PCS as soon as I saw the trick published in Fine Woodworking probably 8 or 10 years ago. Of course, if a new blade with a different kerf thickness, e.g., thin kerf, is used, a new kerf mark may be needed.

That said, for super precise cuts, I still line up the scribed/knife line (not pencil mark) on the stock with the blade tooth to set the fence or stop block.

Edit: Found the FW tip -https://www.finewoodworking.com/2016/09/29/scribe-tablesaws-throat-plate-quicker-crosscuts
 
noahpurdy said:
Hey all.

This saw has been out a few years now but information that isn't just drivel from influencers has been hard to find. Are there any pro's that have been using this unit in the field able to comment on how it's held up? I primarily work in historic homes doing custom cabinetry and for installations this unit is very intriguing to me but I got scared off initially because of the QA issues. Anyways, looking to see if any pro's are using one or if I should just stick with my DeWalt. Less interested in holding straight edges and angle gauges to it or worrying about a few thou dip in the table and more interested in results and durability.

Thanks.

Hi Noah,

I have a colleague in Missouri who has been using the CSC-50 for on site installation work and he's been very happy with it. This colleague has a very well-equipped shop (sliding table saw, Martin shaper, wide belt sander, 5-axis CNC, etc...), so he doesn't use the CSC-50 in the shop, but he said it's a nice little saw for on site fitting work.
 
Tom Gensmer said:
noahpurdy said:
Hey all.

This saw has been out a few years now but information that isn't just drivel from influencers has been hard to find. Are there any pro's that have been using this unit in the field able to comment on how it's held up? I primarily work in historic homes doing custom cabinetry and for installations this unit is very intriguing to me but I got scared off initially because of the QA issues. Anyways, looking to see if any pro's are using one or if I should just stick with my DeWalt. Less interested in holding straight edges and angle gauges to it or worrying about a few thou dip in the table and more interested in results and durability.

Thanks.

Hi Noah,

I have a colleague in Missouri who has been using the CSC-50 for on site installation work and he's been very happy with it. This colleague has a very well-equipped shop (sliding table saw, Martin shaper, wide belt sander, 5-axis CNC, etc...), so he doesn't use the CSC-50 in the shop, but he said it's a nice little saw for on site fitting work.

Hey Tom!

Thanks for this feedback. This is good to hear and the kind of feedback I'm after! It sounds like your colleague is working in a similar situation to me. Sitework is brutal on tools versus hobbiest stuff at home so this brings me some confidence to take the gamble.
 
Hi Noah,

I'm a restoration carpenter doing full house renovations and custom work in San Francisco.  I bought a CSC-50 early last year for on site use, it has seem some heavy work, and overall I am happy with it.  I use it for cutting scribes, milling custom components such as paneling and wainscoting, and general installation / fitting work.  I do not use it for any large sheet goods (not appropriate for this saw) or substantial ripping of framing material although I have for one or two pieces and it was fine.  I do maintain a portable Dewalt on site for those types of applications where appropriate.  I would buy the saw again as it is a good quality saw and it is quiet which is important where I am working and I don't hear that feature typically mentioned.

For reference, Festool is my primary tool platform and I am a dedicated user.  I do have some criticisms about the saw however and hopefully in the future Festool will address them.  Here they are:

#1  The blade seems to deflect a bit mid cut even with a new, appropriately toothed blade, slow feed rate, and using softer hardwoods such as poplar which I work with a lot.  It's not enough to ruin a piece and a quick swipe or two with a block plane certainly cleans it up but I would not be relying on it for a glue joint quality cut and I wish Festool would offer a blade stiffener for it as you can watch the deflection as its happening which is not pleasant if you are a precise person.

#2  Multiple times even with dust extraction hooked up, the chassis will eventually collect enough dust that it impedes the blade travel of the saw from reaching its full height.  Once this happens, and you ask for a full depth cut, the saw goes into re-callibration mode and in the end the only recourse seems to be to do a deep clean which takes some serious time to complete as some of the necessary areas for cleaning are not readily accessible.  I think this has happened 4 or 5 times this year and it is my top complaint as it is inevitably occurs at a terrible time and requires at least 15 minutes to resolve.

#3  The angle adjust button and the power on button look very similar and it is easy to confuse the two.  I'm sure someone out there will tell me I'm incompetent and should not be allowed to own the saw but the reality is when you have a brain full of measurements and you're trying to work through a list it's possible to confuse the two and accidentally start the saw when you're intending to adjust the angle of the blade.  This has happened to me twice.  It's now unlikely to happen again as I am very aware of the potential issue, however I don't think it should be so easy to confuse the two.  In an entire lifetime of power tool use, this is the only tool where I have unintentionally turned it on.  Twice.

#4  The battery life is not great.  Not as abysmal as the CT SYS extractor, but some management its required to run the tool for most of the day.  I started with twin 5ah batteries and it would maybe last a half day.  I upgraded to twin 8ah batteries and it is now good until early afternoon but a full day is not realistic unless you are only doing a few cuts.  There is one caveat however, the saw seems to eat up a lot of battery life in stand by mode.  I have started to power down the saw when I don't expect another cut for 10-15 minutes or more and the battery life has improved quite a bit.  With moderate cutting and power downs in between close to a full day on 8ah batteries is getting closer.

I do love how small, light, and quiet it is.  The blade brake is nice and the sliding table has saved me more than once. The cart does a great job doubling as a stand for my portable planer and we even ate lunch on it this week when there were no other available horizontal surfaces.  I did buy some aftermarket zero clearance inserts for it which I predominantly use and it has helped for my workflow.  Typically I am cutting between 0 and +/- 4 degrees so I can generally leave it on.

If you're looking for a table saw to compliment another table saw for on site work this is a great option which I recommend.  If this would be your only table saw, you might find the compact format is too restrictive.  You say you have a Dewalt already so if you're willing to keep that, the CSC-50 will be a good answer for a lot of issues that the Dewalt struggles with.

Good luck!
 
James Carriere said:
#1  The blade seems to deflect a bit mid cut even with a new, appropriately toothed blade, slow feed rate, and using softer hardwoods such as poplar which I work with a lot.  It's not enough to ruin a piece and a quick swipe or two with a block plane certainly cleans it up but I would not be relying on it for a glue joint quality cut and I wish Festool would offer a blade stiffener for it as you can watch the deflection as its happening which is not pleasant if you are a precise person.

Interesting. I'm still clinging to my older TS-55 with the 2.2mm kerf blades as the I've been afraid of the newer thin kerf blades for this very reason (I figured this saw might enable me to upgrade to the TS-60 for blade parity.). I have the KSC-60 though and have been very impressed with that (I like it more than my full-sized Kapex). I do a lot of poplar millwork too. Interesting that even in something as easy to work as poplar this occurs though if I'm being honest I'm rarely if ever edge-joining boards on site.

James Carriere said:
#4  The battery life is not great.  Not as abysmal as the CT SYS extractor, but some management its required to run the tool for most of the day.  I started with twin 5ah batteries and it would maybe last a half day.  I upgraded to twin 8ah batteries and it is now good until early afternoon but a full day is not realistic unless you are only doing a few cuts.  There is one caveat however, the saw seems to eat up a lot of battery life in stand by mode.  I have started to power down the saw when I don't expect another cut for 10-15 minutes or more and the battery life has improved quite a bit.  With moderate cutting and power downs in between close to a full day on 8ah batteries is getting closer.

This makes a lot of sense as stepper-motors will draw voltage to just 'hold' position as well as move and I suspect that's what they're using here. Not sure if anyone has taken one of these apart but my guess would be a NEMA17 ish sized motors.

Part of the value proposition of this saw for me is that I'm pretty into the Festool cordless line but kinda short on batteries and so getting two more batteries with this would help. I'm rarely without power on site. Wondering if I should get the full bundle or just the saw and stand and pickup the 8.0 set separately. Saves less money but might be worth it if those batteries can also fit my HK-C as that's the biggest battery hog on site for me.

James Carriere said:
I do love how small, light, and quiet it is.  The blade brake is nice and the sliding table has saved me more than once. The cart does a great job doubling as a stand for my portable planer and we even ate lunch on it this week when there were no other available horizontal surfaces.  I did buy some aftermarket zero clearance inserts for it which I predominantly use and it has helped for my workflow.  Typically I am cutting between 0 and +/- 4 degrees so I can generally leave it on.

How robust is the cart compared to, say, the stand the 10" Dewalt saw is on? I've been eyeing potentially getting an additional one or two to replace my SYS-Rolls for getting gear from the trailer to the site. The SYS-Rolls are light but aren't very durable things.

James Carriere said:
If you're looking for a table saw to compliment another table saw for on site work this is a great option which I recommend.  If this would be your only table saw, you might find the compact format is too restrictive.  You say you have a Dewalt already so if you're willing to keep that, the CSC-50 will be a good answer for a lot of issues that the Dewalt struggles with.

Yeah, my thinking is that this is my 80% saw in that 80% of the time it's all I need to pull out and I'll have the Dewalt jobber when I need to do more heavy processing on site, which is less common for me. I suspect 90% of my use of the CSC would be back beveling scribe ends for face frames + scribing and cutting smaller short toe kicks or moulding runs like light-rails and >2.5" Cabinet Crown.

I really appreciate your thoughts. Always the tricky thing with Festool advice is finding folks making a living with them versus folks who make videos for a living.
 
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