diesel is getting expensive

dirtydeeds

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ok it will need a mathmetician to convert from litres to american gallons (and english pounds to american dollars)

but

the last fill up cost me 1.19 english pounds per litre (diesel fuel)

next i hear opec says the price of crude is GOING to rise from where it is
 
MMM....

So you Brits get scr%#@d even worse than we do over here 1.19 Pounds is about 1.50 Euro
Our diesel is at 1.29 Euro now about 1.00 Pound

Before this great unifying comming of the almighty Euro prices were kind of stable around here now about 8 years later most prices
have doubled.
 
Your 1.19 GBP per liter would be roughly $8.92 USD per gallon.
Diesel seems to be about $4.20 per gallon around here which is equally outrageous.
The cost of ignorance is getting more expensive everyday.
 
Since I just paid $136 to fill my tank this evening ($4.49/gal), I though THAT was outragous. But it's a deal compared to the UK. When will this end? It can't continue without putting the global economy into a recession.
 
It's funny that while none of us like paying so much for fuel that most of us will spend much more per gallon for coffee or bottled water.  Do you know how much work goes into getting that gallon of gas or diesel into your tank?

Chris...
 
Chris Mercado said:
It's funny that while none of us like paying so much for fuel that most of us will spend much more per gallon for coffee or bottled water.  Do you know how much work goes into getting that gallon of gas or diesel into your tank?

Chris...

Hi,

   Yeah, but I don't drink 5-10 gallons of coffee or water per day.

Seth

        TEN
 
true.. we are filling up twice per week at around $95 per fillup.  oh well ...  I'm in favor of massive building of nuclear power plants... You wanna change the price of oil, that's how to do it.  At the rate of putting new cars on the road changing fuel eff. 5 percent does nothing.  Don't get me wrong keep working at improvements but there won't be any "shift" from it.

Chris...
 
I was extremely happy two days ago when I filled the Ford $121.00 @ $4.09/glln.  The best part is, when I came back around by the filling station after running some errands, it was up to $4.17 / glln.  I just smiled and said.... "Now that's sticking it to the man!!!"  I did have some remorse to follow when I realized I didn't fill the auxiliary tank >:(

Oh Well,

What are some of the gas prices around the country...I hear Lincoln is pretty high compared to others?

Timmy
 
For Gasoline...

I paid 3.89 and nine tenths (california has about 40 cents per gallon in taxes) for 87 octane.

3.99 for 89

4.09 for 91

 
underused

quite correct, if you use bio diesel (fish and chip oil) you have to pay the tax man 17p per litre fuel duty

then there are nice expensive rules about storing the fuel, then of course selling it on gets more difficult because theres vat as well as fuel duty

"refining" fish and chip oil removing solids water and other muck isnt that easy
 
I wonder what's the bulk price of SVO (straight vegetable oil)? If it's cheaper than diesel (or #2 fuel oil), I see a conversion in my near future.
 
Underused & DD,
 
if you use bio diesel (fish and chip oil) you have to pay the tax man 17p per litre fuel duty

You have my sympathy. We have the same situation here. You are supposed to pay highway use tax on homemade biodiesel. Fortunately the taxman hasn't figured out how to chase down the culprits and collect. When our prices get close to yours I'm sure they will figure it out.

The government is promoting renewable resources ??? I think not.

Mike
 
Peter,
  Last time I checked. Five gallons of the cheapest veggie oil at Sam's Club was $4.00/gallon. But you need to heat it up before it will work in a regular engine(you have to install a pre-heat tank). If you remove the glycerin( make it into biodiesel) you have to add the cost of lye.

Mike
 
For regular gas Chicago has a 70.2 cents per gallon tax! Plus 6.25% sales tax. 0.003 per gallon tax for underground storage tank fund.

For Diesel  Chicago has a  78.45 cents per gallon tax!  Plus 6.25% sales tax. 0.003 per gallon tax for underground storage tank fund.

This is getting crazy.

gas tax prices around the country

I miss my Ford F350 Dually. It was a great truck with the crew cab and the old 460 big block and it  took 60 gallons! At 8 miles to the gallon I would be in big trouble right now!
 
we have a fuel escalator tax year on year (altough we EVENTUALLY had a rebellion in 1999) which forced the government 

in 2007, average unleaded fuel cost 95.1 pence (english) of which 63.7 pence was fuel duty

so two thirds of the price is fuel tax

NOW..................................

vat (sales tax at 17.5%) is added to the price of fuel (ie the 95.1 pence)

SO ....................................

the english/british price of fuel amounts to around 85-90% tax    ie two thirds fuel tax PLUS 17.5% sales tax
 
Yikes!

Well we Americans as history has shown do not like taxes and will only take so much. I wonder where that point is us?

I do not think it would get as bad as yours before something was done by the people! Rebellion sounds about right!
 
just remember this percentage level of taxation is MUCH LESS than was imposed on tea to (what was called at the time the american colonies)

BEFORE they decided that enough was enough

more power to their (american) elbow
 
from what i can see the price of fuel is a political atom bomb in america

it isnt the same here

our politicians dont give a monkeys (in fact they love it) because the tax raised gives them the power to do whatever they want

 
dirtydeeds said:
from what i can see the price of fuel is a political atom bomb in america

It's geography.  [All data from Wikipedia]  The UK is ~245,000 km2.  The state of California by itself is ~424,000 km2, and both Texas and Alaska are bigger.  It's true that much of the land is not inhabited, but we still have to get through it to get from one major center to another.

The "lower 48" (continental US without Alaska) span 4 time zones.

Canadians, Australians, and Russians will not find anything odd or impressive in these numbers.

The Canadians in particular are in much the same situation as Americans--if you were to draw a map of Canada weighted by population, it would be a very long, very thin country.  Goods need to be transported long distances, and so the cost of fuel is a significant part of the cost of everything.  Since their market is smaller, but the distances just as great as in the US, Canadian prices tend to be higher than American ones.

Many North American population centers became large only after the automobile arrived--in fact you could say they grew as a direct result of the automobile.  While a few older Eastern cities--Boston, New York, Toronto, Montreal have mass transit that works well enough for real people leading real lives to depend on it, I don't think any North American city west of Chicago except San Francisco has anything like the mass transit services that Europeans would expect.

You could point out that tradesmen everywhere have a truck or van of some kind, and that's true, but North American tradesmen must operate in this spread-out geography.  They also might use their own vehicles more often to carry materials and supplies, rather than relying on a vendor's delivery service.

I have tried for many years to own the smallest vehicle that will serve--not necessarily the cheapest to buy.  After discovering that the Ford Ranger just wasn't big enough to handle my needs, I bought a Toyota Tundra--the first series Tundra was the smallest truck that qualified as "full-size" by North American standards.  The big Fords and Dodges are distinctly bigger, but my pickup isn't small by world standards--4.7L engine, 5525mm overall length, 1900kg curb weight.  I have never done better than 17 miles/US gallon (~20 miles/UK gallon, ~13.8 l/100 km) on regular grade fuel (87 octane).  I chose to drive to Festool Fantasy Camp, about 300 miles (482km) from my home, and most Americans would not think that a strange decision.

None of this should be construed as boasting that all this is somehow better.  It's simply a description of a very different place and set of circumstances.

Oh, and before someone can start whining about how North America ought to be more like some other place, this isn't better, but it also isn't worse.  It just is.

Ned
 
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