Domino and cross stop

[Dunn wood]

Purposely bought the domino to put together frameless cabinets with 16 mm melamine. I thought that with the 4mm domino, it would work great. I know they can be marked with a pencil and away you go, but I thought the cross stop was a great idea for repetitive cuts. So right now I am quite disappointed to find that the one problem with this is that the pins in the cross stops are 5mm. This is my 1st time on FOG and have owned Festool products for years, lets just say there are a few systainers in my shop. I have discovered many other uses for the Domino, and probably still lots to come but this was the main reason I got this tool. Did Festool not think of this or am I missing something? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks

 

[peter halle]

First - Welcome to the FOG!

The 4 mm Dominos were brought to market after the introduction of Domino 500 to deal with thinner stock.  The cross stops were introduced with the original model that had a minimum size of 5 mm.

Peter

 

[tjbnwi]

For 16 mm you should be using a 5 mm Domino. I try to get as close to 1/3-1/3-1/3 as I can.

I'm work with 8/4 white oak right now. Each joint has 2-10x50 dominos stacked in it. There a 12 joints in each piece of the project.

Tom

 

[mouppe]

For 16 mm you should be using a 5 mm Domino. I try to get as close to 1/3-1/3-1/3 as I can.

I'm work with 8/4 white oak right now. Each joint has 2-10x50 dominos stacked in it. There a 12 joints in each piece of the project.

Tom

Presumably he is worried that having the 30mm tenon 15mm into the side of a 16mm panel is cutting it a little fine... ;D

 

[Dunn wood]

For 16 mm you should be using a 5 mm Domino. I try to get as close to 1/3-1/3-1/3 as I can.

I'm work with 8/4 white oak right now. Each joint has 2-10x50 dominos stacked in it. There a 12 joints in each piece of the project.

Tom

If you use the 5 x 30 you have to do change the depth for each piece or you will go through the 16mm board. Another adjustment and more time. On the inside cover of the Domino systainer they have a picture doing what I am trying to do. I agree with the third rule for lumber but 4 mm is plenty strong for cabinets.

 

[Dunn wood]

For 16 mm you should be using a 5 mm Domino. I try to get as close to 1/3-1/3-1/3 as I can.

I'm work with 8/4 white oak right now. Each joint has 2-10x50 dominos stacked in it. There a 12 joints in each piece of the project.

Tom

Presumably he is worried that having the 30mm tenon 15mm into the side of a 16mm panel is cutting it a little fine... ;D

Actually I tried it, thought 1 mm is pretty close, Yep right through.

 

[tjbnwi]

I do all the shallows first (12 mm), then all the deeps (20 mm). When I'm done with the last deep, I set the unit back to 12, just incase. When I got my Domino 4 mm was not an option so, had to adapt.

Tom

 

[Dunn wood]

Bought the unit at Lee valley and they put me in touch with the technical people at Festool. After explaining my situation to them they agreed that there should be a provision to use the fence with the 4mm tenons. They have sent the info to Germany and am awaiting a response. Could be as simple as including a 4mm pin to exchange with the 5mm, or just using a 4mm pin instead. Since it is only used for locating this would work with the larger tenons as well.

 

[festoolviking]

First - Welcome to the FOG!

The 4 mm Dominos were brought to market after the introduction of Domino 500 to deal with thinner stock.  The cross stops were introduced with the original model that had a minimum size of 5 mm.

Peter

Well, take a look at the writing on my closeup of the cross stop. It seems like it's the same for both DF500 and 700 just turn the "pin-module" around 180*.
By this I would say that this version was introduced after the introduction of the OF700. So Festool would have considered the 4mm tenons.

Or just for fun, for you who got an older DF500, is the "DF700" print there? This way we can figure out how long the DF700 was in the plans for Festool without "telling us". Could it be that this version of the cross-stop was brought out before the introduction of the 700  ??? 
Is there more accessories with printed numbers for tools to come?

The plot thickens  [big grin]

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zu5m9tlf84q5266/Photo%202013-05-21%2018%2037%2010.jpg

Festoolviking

 

[MrToolJunkie]

This version was released with all new Domino's at the time the 700 was released to account for the distance on the 700.  So whether you buy the 500 or 700 set or the accessory itself, it is compatible with either machine.

Scot

 

[Dunn wood]

I do all the shallows first (12 mm), then all the deeps (20 mm). When I'm done with the last deep, I set the unit back to 12, just incase. When I got my Domino 4 mm was not an option so, had to adapt.

Tom

Thanks Tom. Took your advice and looked at it deeper. I have just spent the day machining parts for cabinets and it really worked well. Had to make a few more adjustments then I thought I would have but all in all it worked really good. I used the 5mm tenons and changed the depth on the various pieces, after you go through a few you remember to change it anyway (at least my finger was not in the way). Thanks for the help.

 

[tjbnwi]

I do all the shallows first (12 mm), then all the deeps (20 mm). When I'm done with the last deep, I set the unit back to 12, just incase. When I got my Domino 4 mm was not an option so, had to adapt.

Tom

Thanks Tom. Took your advice and looked at it deeper. I have just spent the day machining parts for cabinets and it really worked well. Had to make a few more adjustments then I thought I would have but all in all it worked really good. I used the 5mm tenons and changed the depth on the various pieces, after you go through a few you remember to change it anyway (at least my finger was not in the way). Thanks for the help.

You're welcome, happy to help.

Tom