Domino on TOH

They were carefull not to show the name on the tool, even calling them "floating tenons"  Didn't like the look of where that guy had his fingers when cutting the mitre on the table saw  [eek]
 
Comes in at 7.20. Blink and you miss it!

They can't mention Festool because the show is partly underwritten by Stanley.

 
woodguy7 said:
Didn't like the look of where that guy had his fingers when cutting the mitre on the table saw  [eek]

ya, that was a strange way to hold that jig...
 
I bet they got lots of letters on the safety issues.

I have to admit that I have done similar things.
Sometimes you have to do whatever it takes to get a job done.
 
tim thanks for sharing,, that was cool and interesting and i enjoyed it.
 
the dog @2:24 that couldn't care less about what was going on around him was pretty funny. He slept through the whole thing.

 
zapdafish said:
the dog @2:24 that couldn't care less about what was going on around him was pretty funny. He slept through the whole thing.

ya that dog was hilarious.
Like my dog, he could care less. I could have ten machines going and he would sleep through it...unless it's time for his walk, then it's a never ending pacing and whining.
Tim
 
I really like the concept of kick boxes as opposed to legs on the cabinets, is this a common thing on your side of the pond?
 
Waka said:
I really like the concept of kick boxes as opposed to legs on the cabinets, is this a common thing on your side of the pond?

In May of 1959 I was the architect on a major re-model of a Southern California home originally built in 1923. There had been some significant settling.

Although I had never seen separate foundations or "kick boxes" used, to my way of thinking that approach seemed best when dealing with such uneven floors. The exposed floor was to be brewery tile, under the range and dish washer, but not the cabinets.

By building the kick boxes separately from the base cabinet boxes, those could be installed first. This way the cabinets themselves would not interfere with the tile installation. Back in the shop the base cases could be built complete with the lower shelf also the bottom of the case, using a rabbit instead of a dado.

Subsequently, whenever I had the choice I have specified separate kick boxes. Over the past 52 years I have advocated kick boxes when teaching cabinet design and construction. These days my cabinet shop is exclusively wholesale. Nearly all of my designer/installer clients have known me for many years, usually having first met me while taking design courses I have taught. Of course my shop builds custom cabinets however the specification dictate. I do not remember a recent kitchen cabinet job we have built without using kick boxes.

The same is true for the commercial and office base cabinet jobs we build. On the other hand, the bathroom and lavatory cabinets we build tend to be one-piece bases, so most of those use a conventional toe-kick construction.

In the TOH video that was one of our competitor firm building the cases for Larry Bucklan. That firm also advocates separate kick boxes. Larry and I buy most of our Festools from Eagle Tool of Los Angeles. We have known one another for years. He believes strongly in kick boxes.

We use different brands of sliding table saws, but essentially they are similar.

Everyone builds doors and face frames using methods we find to work best for us. The cabinet maker working for me who specializes in frames and doors had owned a shop with an older model of the same brand of slider saw as Larry Bucklan owns. My guy was one of us who got up in the middle of the night to pick up our Kapex just after midnight the say Festool released them. He was the first cabinet maker I hired, which was before I finalized the shopping list of equipment. By then both of us were experienced using Kapex. He told me that his preference making doors and frames was to use his Kapex for cross cuts and the slider saw for rips. Together we looked long and hard at the same brand Larry owns, but eventually we decided on the brand I purchased.

Indeed, we do use a lot of Dominoes.
 
ccarrolladams said:
Waka said:
I really like the concept of kick boxes as opposed to legs on the cabinets, is this a common thing on your side of the pond?

In May of 1959 I was the architect on a major re-model of a Southern California home originally built in 1923. There had been some significant settling.

Although I had never seen separate foundations or "kick boxes" used, to my way of thinking that approach seemed best when dealing with such uneven floors. The exposed floor was to be brewery tile, under the range and dish washer, but not the cabinets.

CCarrolladams:
Thanks for your comments. I was hoping you or even Larry would contribute to give some context to this video.
Thanks again.
Tim
 
Waka said:
I really like the concept of kick boxes as opposed to legs on the cabinets, is this a common thing on your side of the pond?

You'll very rarely see adjustable legs used here, other than when someone buys high-end cabs from Europe.  Toekicks are far more common, and are integral to the main base cabinet box most of the time- the separate kickbox that they showed is only found in custom kitchens.
 
Sometime in the future (sooner, I hope) I am going to build a house here in Puerto Rico.  I'll just have the shell built, then I will build the kitchen and install it.  I have debated off and on whether to build the cabinets on kick boxes or on legs.  As you can imagine, bugs here are insidious and I would imagine that the cabinets would be in grave danger of termite infestation if I build them on boxes.  Thus, I am leaning towards legs...  Any thoughts about my logic?  Is it flawed?
 
pugilato said:
As you can imagine, bugs here are insidious and I would imagine that the cabinets would be in grave danger of termite infestation if I build them on boxes.  Thus, I am leaning towards legs...  Any thoughts about my logic?  Is it flawed?

If the termite problem is that bad there, putting the cabinets 4" up off the floor on legs isn't going to do a whole lot to stop them.  From what I saw when I was in Puerto Rico a few years ago, most of the houses are built of masonry instead of wood, so the termites don't have a ready path into the houses to get to the finishes anyway.  If that's the case, I'd think having a termite company do treatments to protect any wood that does exist would do the trick.
 
pugilato said:
Sometime in the future (sooner, I hope) I am going to build a house here in Puerto Rico.  I'll just have the shell built, then I will build the kitchen and install it.  I have debated off and on whether to build the cabinets on kick boxes or on legs.  As you can imagine, bugs here are insidious and I would imagine that the cabinets would be in grave danger of termite infestation if I build them on boxes.  Thus, I am leaning towards legs...  Any thoughts about my logic?  Is it flawed?

There are a number of benefits to the plastic legs.  I like them and I use them for everything except islands. 
 
Pug,

You are right to be concerned about termites there in Puerto Rico.  The problem is even more complex than here in South Florida.  There they come at you from underground, walking across the ground surface, and in the air.  First line of defense is probably cbs construction.  Making sure the wood that goes into the framing and roof trusses is clean is critical.  Routine maintenance is required, just like you do for other insects.  By the time you find them in your cabinets you are most likely in deep s....  Hit me up on the back channell, the list of things you can do to protect the house is pretty extensive but doesn't have to be outrageously expensive. 

 
woodguy7 said:
They were carefull not to show the name on the tool, even calling them "floating tenons"  Didn't like the look of where that guy had his fingers when cutting the mitre on the table saw  [eek]

Yeah "great idea for minimizing blowout" ! Whatever, I was cringing as I waited for his idea to blow out as his finger dove into the blade that was elevated to about 3 inches above the piece he was cutting.  If he had Kapex he wouldn't be cutting that piece on a 20k table saw in a 10k shop.

Side note, those tenons weren't spread out much either.

Pfft... TV stars
 
Waka said:
I really like the concept of kick boxes as opposed to legs on the cabinets, is this a common thing on your side of the pond?

That is a great idea, but in my opinion, but he should have established level with a laser and then find his highest point in the kitchen.  From that point you can measure off your level line in the corners to the same height (top of where kick boxes should be after leveling to the highest point in the room) and make chalk lines around the whole room which utilizes the reference point you created with the laser level... duh

He lasered it, then switched to using his level to continue around the room.  By switching to the level, it would be easy to be a 1/4" out by the time you made it to the other side of the room (even though he's using Stabilas).

You should work off your chalk lines in the back and use a 2' level to raise the front to the appropriate height.

My 99 cents...
 
Electric Trim said:
Waka said:
I really like the concept of kick boxes as opposed to legs on the cabinets, is this a common thing on your side of the pond?

That is a great idea, but in my opinion, but he should have established level with a laser and then find his highest point in the kitchen.  From that point you can measure off your level line in the corners to the same height (top of where kick boxes should be after leveling to the highest point in the room) and make chalk lines around the whole room which utilizes the reference point you created with the laser level... duh

He lasered it, then switched to using his level to continue around the room.  By switching to the level, it would be easy to be a 1/4" out by the time you made it to the other side of the room (even though he's using Stabilas).

You should work off your chalk lines in the back and use a 2' level to raise the front to the appropriate height.

My 99 cents...

I'll agree with you and add a penny so you can have a full dollar, but you do have to make use of those Stabila levels every chance you get to feel like you got your money's worth.  [big grin]
 
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