Domino XL DF 700

[tallgrass]

You can bet your bottom dollar that it will be coming to the US.

yup i am enjoying the jigsaw right  now!!!.... [big grin]

 

[JeromeM]

Festool did a great job inventing this technology, the problem is that it's completely patented and no other brand has the right to copy it.

And that is a problem because???

It is beneficial as it protects and encourages the research needed to create the kind of revolutionary and evolutionary products that grease the green slippery slope we all love.

 

[WarnerConstCo.]

see this technology used in a stand alone tool. basically like a horizontal mortiser, wich is a tool that hasn't changed in the past 50 years.
who knows, even improve it with two chisels at both end wich square off the mortise. then you will have something revolutionary that every shop in the world will need to posses.

They used to make all sorts of stuff like that.

 

[Timtool]

And that is a problem because???

It is beneficial as it protects and encourages the research needed to create the kind of revolutionary and evolutionary products that grease the green slippery slope we all love.

yes and no, without patents nobody would be encouraged to innovate because of the research cost. and with patents the end user can only rely on the patent holder to use the innovation properly. there is no competition allowed from other constructors, wich isn't beneficial for the user.

so we need to rely on festool to properly use this innovation, the domino is great. but i would like to see something even larger than the XL.

somewhat like sawstop technology, it's a fantastic invention. but the saws they use it on are quite obsolete when you are used to european sliding panelsaws.

 

[fdengel]

but the saws they use it on are quite obsolete when you are used to european sliding panelsaws.

Funny, here I thought they were both obsolete, considering the Festool TS saws...

 

[gbruzze1]

Really?? Is there only one English-German translator?? How am I supposed to know who I'm listening to?!? Come on get your act together Germany!!

 

[fshanno]

And that is a problem because???

It is beneficial as it protects and encourages the research needed to create the kind of revolutionary and evolutionary products that grease the green slippery slope we all love.

yes and no, without patents nobody would be encouraged to innovate because of the research cost. and with patents the end user can only rely on the patent holder to use the innovation properly. there is no competition allowed from other constructors, wich isn't beneficial for the user.

so we need to rely on festool to properly use this innovation, the domino is great. but i would like to see something even larger than the XL.

somewhat like sawstop technology, it's a fantastic invention. but the saws they use it on are quite obsolete when you are used to european sliding panelsaws.

"properly" depends on your perspective.  I think most patent holders use their exclusivity wisely.  I think the system works pretty well.  There are abuses of course and systems like this need to be monitored and tweaked.  Festool has done okay by me with their Domino concept.  It is pricey, as the new machine will be too, but it has paid for itself.  All in all a pretty good value.

As far as larger stationary machines go, there are a ton of them out there.  There are stationary machines that work just like the Domino and use a rotating, oscillating cutter in horizontal and vertical configurations.  There are machines that use oscillating chisels to make rectangular mortises using no rotating components.  There are manual and numerically controlled versions in many different sizes.  A lot of the combination machines such as the Felders have mortisers that essentially are the same concept as the Domino except that you move the wood not the cutter.

For the small shop and hobbyist there are the router based systems such as the Woodrat and it's clones.  There is the Leigh FMT and it's clones.  There are power lifts that turn router tables into mortisers.  All these products are more or less stationary although they could be taken to the job site if necessary, I suppose.  

And then there are many other mortising options such as the new Jessem zip slot and the Beadlock thing and the myriad of router templates.  And there is the DowelMax which isn't a mortiser but it's an awesome joinery product that almost makes me question my decision to buy a Domino.  Almost that is.

I think Festool is doing exactly what they need to be doing with this technology.   This new machine looks like the logical next step.

 

[John Stevens]

Once in a while we let Shane off work.
The Domino XL has two different mortise widths.

LOL, many thanks for the info, and for taking the time out of your day to post it here.

Regards,

John

 

[fritter63]

Just catching up on this. Well, maybe I could justify one if I sold my Leigh FMT jig ,which I still keep around due to "size matters" (can do 1/2" tennons on it).

However, I'm having trouble with two concepts:

1) how do get good glue application into a mortise that deep?

2) can't see the UL passing it with that cutter exposed on the top like that.....

 

[jmbfestool]

Just catching up on this. Well, maybe I could justify one if I sold my Leigh FMT jig ,which I still keep around due to "size matters" (can do 1/2" tennons on it).

However, I'm having trouble with two concepts:

1) how do get good glue application into a mortise that deep?

2) can't see the UL passing it with that cutter exposed on the top like that.....

Y?   A circular saw is a lot more dangerous.   A chop saw is a lot more dangerous.  A router is more dangerous.     This Domino is spring loaded so if any thing happened and you was to let go it will just spring back and the cutter will retract inside completely safe.

A regular circular saw would just carry on cutting until it stopped so bye bye fingers or leg.   A chop saw would do just the same  and a router often has a on/off or a fixed trigger  so the router would stay switched on if dropped or what ever and cut into anything it touched untill the user switched it off.    So in my opinion this Domino is a very safe tool to use.

Well you properly get a Glue applicator which might help out

JMB

 

[fritter63]

Y?   A circular saw is a lot more dangerous.   A chop saw is a lot more dangerous.  A router is more dangerous.     This Domino is spring loaded so if any thing happened and you was to let go it will just spring back and the cutter will retract inside completely safe.

A regular circular saw would just carry on cutting until it stopped so bye bye fingers or leg.   A chop saw would do just the same  and a router often has a on/off or a fixed trigger  so the router would stay switched on if dropped or what ever and cut into anything it touched untill the user switched it off.    So in my opinion this Domino is a very safe tool to use.

Well you properly get a Glue applicator which might help out

JMB

jmb, are you applying LOGIC to the UL and the safety paranoid sue happy U.S.??????

 

[jmbfestool]

New video

FESTOOL Domino XL

 

[Deansocial]

love it, i want 1

 

[justinmcf]

Looks sweet!

I will take one too.

 

[Brice Burrell]

Nice find JMB. [thumbs up]

 

[RONWEN]

New video

FESTOOL Domino XL

That is a very cool machine.  I don't see as many applications for it as the original Domino (for me) but there are a few & I'll probably have to spend more Festool $$$.  [smile]

 

[Ken Nagrod]

I think this is a great compliment to the original Domino if it suits your work.

 

[Tiezme]

Everyone:
Specs on the new DOMINO you can find here: FESTOOL DOMINO DF700

 

[Alan m]

supplied in t antloc 5 [eek]. it must be up on end.

is that the vat included price or non vat. anyone have a english version yet

 

[Administrator_JSVN]

supplied in a t-loc 5 [eek]. it must be up on end.

The insert holds it at an angle in the Systainer, it's a good sized machine. No way it could fit within the dimensions of the Systainer sitting flat. There's also six tenon storage compartments in the back which are a nice touch.