Domino XL DF 700

[Phil P]

That was bad news (thefestool vid). I've already bought the missus a Systainer T-Loc size 1 and fitted it out as a handbag, and now she's complaining that I was shouting "open the box, open the box" at the video....... 

As to size is not important? Who do they think they are kidding. When will the 110 volt (UK) version be out?

Good point, it should do a 65mm mortise lock no problem.  The bigest cutter is only 14mm though, a lock needs 16mm does it not ?  Could do it from both sides though.

Waste of time. By the time you've done that I'd have chopped out two or three with my Souber DBB. Lock chopping is a numbers game if you intend to make money at it

who knows, even improve it with two chisels at both end wich square off the mortise. then you will have something revolutionary that every shop in the world will need to posses.

Unfortunately the French did that years ago - called it an Alternax mortiser - then oscillating end chisels that is!

somewhat like sawstop technology, it's a fantastic invention. but the saws they use it on are quite obsolete when you are used to european sliding panelsaws.

Too true! Especially that cr***y Biesmeyer fence system

2) can't see the UL passing it with that cutter exposed on the top like that.....

Why not? They allow Makita chain mortisers and they're a lot more scary

Regards

Phil

 

[Coen]

Picture of the Systainer:

The Belgians spilled the beans on the new Festool tools btw. Don't know if they link to this page, but if you search for last year's promotions ('festool najaarscampagne 2010) in google and take the festool.be result and you change '2010' to '2011' in the URL, you'll end up here:
http://www.festool.be/NL/Campaings/Pages/Autumn2011.aspx

For The Netherlands / Belgium it will be €963 excluding VAT (19% for The Netherlands, 21% for Belgium), supplied with 20 tenons 12x100mm, 12mm cutter, guidestop, etc. Wouldn't be surprised if it would get up to a 1000 in 2012. In Germany it's probably a few bucks cheaper, as is everything

 

[jmbfestool]

Domino XL in UK    £770.00 + vat ????

 

[woodguy7]

Not for me thanks !

 

[Timtool]

i want one now! someone just ordered me 34 african hardwood garden doors, this could make me win big cash!
when is it out??

 

[bellchippy]

Here is the link to Autum specials in Germany
http://www.festool.be/FR/Campaings/Documents/Autumn%202011/Autumn2011_wood_NL.pdf
Includes Domino xl and new impact driver.

Maybe someone can translate it

 

[festoller]

Damn where do you guys find this stuff! Great find!

Does this oficially come out in September or October?

I am not that excited about the new Autum offer, since I am not interested in the Domino XL, but I am glad there is a basic version of the new impact driver! Although I wouldn't buy one before I havn't tested it personally.

 

[spikfot]

Here is the link to Autum specials in Germany
http://www.festool.be/FR/Campaings/Documents/Autumn%202011/Autumn2011_wood_NL.pdf
Includes Domino xl and new impact driver.

Maybe someone can translate it

The linked PDF is in Dutch, but the picts and numbers tell most of the story.
I for one, think the XL will be a winner in the niche it belongs in. Even though I own a Domino 500 set, and a Leigh FMT, the 16mm/ 70mm capability of the XL is TEMPTING....as a door builder. 

 

[fritter63]

The linked PDF is in Dutch, but the picts and numbers tell most of the story.
I for one, think the XL will be a winner in the niche it belongs in. Even though I own a Domino 500 set, and a Leigh FMT, the 16mm/ 70mm capability of the XL is TEMPTING....as a door builder.   

I've kept my FMT around simple because it can do 1/2" tendons which the Domino can't. The other reason is the quad tendon feature. This last is cool, but I have to be realistic and wonder how much I'll ever need it. I used it on new table I've been building (will post a thread about) but it worked only because the because the base is massive (3x5 oak "timbers"). That's a rare dimension in furniture, and I'm not sure I'll ever do it again. Also, the FMT was a pain to do with this size lumber, and the DX 700 would have made it easier, although maybe not in a quad configurations.

So I with that DX coming, I find myself debating if I should sell the FMT and just get the DX for doing larger tenon work. I suppose you could argue that the "real" tendons made by and FMT are stronger than floating tenons, but it's a weak argument, especially given recent FWW tests on joint strengths and the fact that it's not the M&T that usually breaks.

So.. starting the FAJP (Festool Acquisition Justification Phase)

 

[chrisrosenb]

Here is the link to Autum specials in Germany
http://www.festool.be/FR/Campaings/Documents/Autumn%202011/Autumn2011_wood_NL.pdf
Includes Domino xl and new impact driver.

Maybe someone can translate it

The linked PDF is in Dutch, but the picts and numbers tell most of the story.
I for one, think the XL will be a winner in the niche it belongs in. Even though I own a Domino 500 set, and a Leigh FMT, the 16mm/ 70mm capability of the XL is TEMPTING....as a door builder.   

Door building is why I would like one also. Then I could would no longer need my foot feed hollow chisel mortiser.
 

 

[Nigel]

Specs including DominoXL sizes and cutter sizes etc

http://www.festool.co.uk/SiteCollectionDocuments/Catalog/Kat_2005/portal_multimedia_download/gb/p2010_broschfamfr_gb.pdf

 

[spikfot]

The linked PDF is in Dutch, but the picts and numbers tell most of the story.
I for one, think the XL will be a winner in the niche it belongs in. Even though I own a Domino 500 set, and a Leigh FMT, the 16mm/ 70mm capability of the XL is TEMPTING....as a door builder.   

I've kept my FMT around simple because it can do 1/2" tendons which the Domino can't. The other reason is the quad tendon feature. This last is cool, but I have to be realistic and wonder how much I'll ever need it. I used it on new table I've been building (will post a thread about) but it worked only because the because the base is massive (3x5 oak "timbers"). That's a rare dimension in furniture, and I'm not sure I'll ever do it again. Also, the FMT was a pain to do with this size lumber, and the DX 700 would have made it easier, although maybe not in a quad configurations.

So I with that DX coming, I find myself debating if I should sell the FMT and just get the DX for doing larger tenon work. I suppose you could argue that the "real" tendons made by and FMT are stronger than floating tenons, but it's a weak argument, especially given recent FWW tests on joint strengths and the fact that it's not the M&T that usually breaks.

So.. starting the FAJP (Festool Acquisition Justification Phase)

For series production, The XL would not be able to touch the accuracy and repeatability of the FMT. The tendency for the domino machine to "walk" while boring, in my opinion, limits it's applications.  I've built many interior doors, and even exterior doors with 70mm deep X 12.7mm M/Ts in solid heartwood pine with my MFT.  No problem for medium sized exterior doors with 3 rails and mullion, or 4 rails sans mullion. Most of said doors were insulated with foam for weight savings and reduce stress on the joints.

 

[Dirk]

Unfortunately both in German...

Official product page online:
http://www.festool.de/Produkte/Seiten/Produktdetailansicht.aspx?pid=574320&name=DOMINO-Duebelfraese-DF-700-EQ-Plus

Product Special:
http://www.festool.net/dominoXL/de/

rgds
Dirk

 

[fshanno]

For series production, The XL would not be able to touch the accuracy and repeatability of the FMT. The tendency for the domino machine to "walk" while boring, in my opinion, limits it's applications.  I've built many interior doors, and even exterior doors with 70mm deep X 12.7mm M/Ts in solid heartwood pine with my MFT.  No problem for medium sized exterior doors with 3 rails and mullion, or 4 rails sans mullion. Most of said doors were insulated with foam for weight savings and reduce stress on the joints.

That's why the XL needs a self centering clamping fence like those lock mortising rigs have.  If it had that it could achieve accuracy and repeatability similar to the FMT.  And why wait for the XL?  The current Domino needs a clamping self-centering fence.  Can you imagine a Domino with a couple of cam clamps like the FMT Pro?  How sweet would that be? 

But will Festool listen?  Not a chance.  Can someone translate "clamping, self-centering fence" into German for me?

 

[fritter63]

Can someone translate "clamping, self-centering fence" into German for me?

Gecenterclampinfencen

 

[fritter63]

That's why the XL needs a self centering clamping fence like those lock mortising rigs have.  If it had that it could achieve accuracy and repeatability similar to the FMT.  And why wait for the XL?  The current Domino needs a clamping self-centering fence.  Can you imagine a Domino with a couple of cam clamps like the FMT Pro?  How sweet would that be? 

But will Festool listen?  Not a chance.  Can someone translate "clamping, self-centering fence" into German for me?

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but isn't this the same thing?

Domino Trim Stop

 

[fshanno]

Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, but isn't this the same thing?

No, the trim stop is a good accessory and I use it whenever I can but it's not what I had in mind.

What I had in mind was something like this....

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This is a lock mortiser.  You can use it for mortises in M&T joinery, Gary Katz has one and he made a garden gate with large mortises in one of his videos.  Obviously this beast is not exactly what we want but it gives the general idea.  You can see the motor on two shafts just like a Domino.  Imagine an accessory fence with a couple of cam clamps that you clamp tight to the work piece exactly where you want it.  Then you slip the domino on and plunge.  This would give a high level of repeatable accuracy that you could have serious confidence in every time.  Certainly this would need to be an accessory and not everyone would want it.  but it would virtually guarantee excellent alignment. 

Another example is the Dowelmax.  Imagine an accessory fence system for the Domino that worked like the Dowelmax.  Accuracy, repeatability and excellent dust collection, a winning combination.

Now this kind of accuracy comes at a cost in time.  A clamping fence would be much slower, even than the trim stop.  But the beautiful part is that when you don't need super duper accuracy and want that good old Domino speed just pop on the standard fence and rock.

How is this not a good idea?

 

[fritter63]

This is a lock mortiser.  You can use it for mortises in M&T joinery, Gary Katz has one and he made a garden gate with large mortises in one of his videos.  Obviously this beast is not exactly what we want but it gives the general idea.  You can see the motor on two shafts just like a Domino.  Imagine an accessory fence with a couple of cam clamps that you clamp tight to the work piece exactly where you want it.  Then you slip the domino on and plunge.  This would give a high level of repeatable accuracy that you could have serious confidence in every time.  Certainly this would need to be an accessory and not everyone would want it.  but it would virtually guarantee excellent alignment. 

Another example is the Dowelmax.  Imagine an accessory fence system for the Domino that worked like the Dowelmax.  Accuracy, repeatability and excellent dust collection, a winning combination.

Now this kind of accuracy comes at a cost in time.  A clamping fence would be much slower, even than the trim stop.  But the beautiful part is that when you don't need super duper accuracy and want that good old Domino speed just pop on the standard fence and rock.

How is this not a good idea?

You're talking about "vertical" centering of the mortise (depth) as opposed to horizontal spacing which I think is already well handled by either the trim stop and the extension wings?

I guess that would be nice, but as long as you always register off the same face, I don't get the need. Unless it's repeatability (after moving the height setting) you're concerned about (ie, not infinite height adjustment on the fence). Maybe what would do it is the Incra Jig style "teeth" which force it to lock into 1/32" increments, thus ensuring repeatability.

Maybe we can get Incra to design an aftermarket fence for the Domino, it does slide off ya know!

 

[Ken Nagrod]

Ahh, the ridiculously overpriced Porter Cable lock mortiser.  I remember when it was priced around the same as a Domino, then soared past the price of an OF 2200, now approaching the Kapex zone.

 

[Ken Nagrod]

Maybe we can get Incra to design an aftermarket fence for the Domino, it does slide off ya know!

While I think Taylor Design Group is an excellent company, I don't see that happening for cost/profit reasons.