Domino XL on Ebay - CHEAP anybody buy from them (STOLEN)

[Administrator_JSVN]

I have submitted a stolen property report for both sellers. Not even an acknowledgement from eBay that it was received. I have a feeling eBay doesn't care so much. Otherwise, those accounts would be shut down.

This is one of those times where trying to save a buck may turn out bad for some people unfortunately.

 

[Administrator_JSVN]

Well, out of pure frustration, I called eBay. I made yet another report, this time by phone, of the products being stolen. I was told that they would suspend the accounts. We will see if that happens.

If you are a victim of these thefts, here's the number for eBay: 866-540-3229

 

[copcarcollector]

Well, out of pure frustration, I called eBay. I made yet another report, this time by phone, of the products being stolen. I was told that they would suspend the accounts. We will see if that happens.

Boy lets hope so! Good for you for trying at least. I asked the seller for a Kapex serial number, waiting for that info! Yeah right---

 

[Administrator_JSVN]

Well, out of pure frustration, I called eBay. I made yet another report, this time by phone, of the products being stolen. I was told that they would suspend the accounts. We will see if that happens.

Boy lets hope so! Good for you for trying at least. I asked the seller for a Kapex serial number, waiting for that info! Yeah right---

I tried contacting the seller and it has been reported to me that others have also attempted with no replies. No one I have corresponded with has received a reply.

 

[Kev]

Ebay makes a lot of money from the selling of stolen goods. They're an enabler to the point that they've probably introduced an entire new level of crime.

A legal case that put the directors of Ebay in a court room charged with assisting in the sale of stolen goods could change the company's behaviour [wink]

Funny really ... if you were "selling a hot stereo for a mate in a pub" you could face real time behind bars ... do it on a massive scale and you're respected and revered as a business icon.

 

[copcarcollector]

It might make an interesting "sting" to buy one just to get it in hand and then check on the serial number and where it is supposed to be, but I don't have an extra grand in hand just for the experiment!

 

[BobcaygeonJim]

Ill do it

 

[Kev]

It might make an interesting "sting" to buy one just to get it in hand and then check on the serial number and where it is supposed to be, but I don't have an extra grand in hand just for the experiment!

You'll probably find that the game involves selling the unit before trying to procure the stolen one ... a sort of "just in time" crime model.

Even criminals need to manage their cash flow!

 

[Kev]

Ill do it

Have probably stolen goods shipped to your home or business to trap a criminal that may or may not get caught ... but will know where you live??

I wouldn't [blink] [eek]

 

[Kev]

Ironic that we get a "divorce forced sale" pop up in the middle of all of these posts ... from a first time poster no less.

 

[Administrator_JSVN]

Please do not purposely buy from a known thief. I have plenty of serial numbers already.

 

[amt]

It might make an interesting "sting" to buy one just to get it in hand and then check on the serial number and where it is supposed to be, but I don't have an extra grand in hand just for the experiment!

you would be surprised how this might not work out.  For example, I worked at a very large company where over 1/4 million in computer hardware was stolen in just one "swipe".  We jokingly said we should look on Ebay.  To our surprise, there they were, even with pictures of the internal asset stickers on the parts, on ebay.  We bought one piece of the lot to get evidence, we called the police, and we even had the police visit the seller.  Not a single arrest.  $250k

 

[tbellemare]

When I lived in Houston a long time ago, there was a "Consumer Advocate" Department at the (Harris) County Sheriff's Department. It was lead by a guy named Marvin Zindler. The Sheriff job was an elected position and when the newly elected, different Sheriff took office, he dissolved the position and Marvin Zindler was out of a job.

'Long story, short, Marvin Zindler got hired by a local TV News group to be the once-a-week or so consumer advocate on their local news. If you had a beef with anything in the area, and sometimes beyond, just call Marvin Zindler to investigate. It was entertaining (to a degree) and somewhat effective to keep the locals in line.

The closest thing I can think of nationwide is something like 60 minutes or similar.

Perhaps, it would be worth a call to such an expose' sort of organization, or all of them, to work them off one another?

Tom

 

[BobcaygeonJim]

Ill do it

Have probably stolen goods shipped to your home or business to trap a criminal that may or may not get caught ... but will know where you live??

I wouldn't [blink] [eek]

Good point

 

[SoonerFan]

Never purchased a new Festool (or a used one for that matter) on eBay.  Never have and never will.  These cheap deals on new tools are either stolen or knock-offs.  I want neither.  My local dealer and the service they offer is just fine by me.

 

[NHSP759]

As far as eBay buyer protection goes...they don't do anything until the proper time frame has elapsed then you can begin what is a painful contact the seller....wait....contact the seller....wait contact the seller.....wait. It is BS and I have been an eBay user for several years and I have been screwed over several times during what appears to be a routine, not crazy deal.  With that being said, in 2005 I worked a case were some local scum bag was converting vans into campers or special needs type conversion vans. His floor plan went out with his distributor sooooo..... He decides to start going to local dealerships and taking digital photos of titles or "certificates of origin" as they were brand new and untitled. Then he would take a photo of the vehicle. Then he would post an ad on eBay. First payment was PayPal only. Then when the buyer would make the purchase he would respond...."hey, if you send me a BANK CHECK I will cut you a deal (20%) so he doesn't have to pay dues on the sale. Anyways a lot....and please  don't make derogatory comments about this...of people, mostly parent of severely disabled children and the elderly would go along with this chuckle head who had a hi satisfaction rating. By the time I got involved there was over 2.5 million in stolen funds. When I arrested this jerk he was put out on a bail for several thousand dollars and the jerk sold several hundred more thousands of dollars of fake merchandise. My next bail hearing on my next arrest of this scum bag resulted I a million cash bail. Anyways these poor people who thought they were doing the right thing never got compensated and because we tried him in Federal court over jurisdictional boundaries, he was convicted as a first time offender. EBay....well I got what I needed to charge this guy but because the deals fell out of PayPal and eBay, they were not responsible for the resultant damages. So be really careful when buying, watch feedback and remember these people will sell several small things and ship super fast to get their feedback up to look legit. I have always had luck with eBay when I have been screwed over because I follow the rules but I have been out of a couple of hundred bucks for over a month while I wait for the case to settle.

 

[peter halle]

Hey Chris, thank you for what you do day in and day out!

peter

 

[Administrator_JSVN]

Chris, any advice for those who were unwitting buyers from a law enforcement perspective?

 

[NHSP759]

Thank you Peter!
Shane, as far as buyer beware....
I really pay attention to feedback and try to view items sold to see if the seller is trying to "pad" his feedback. If it is an eBay sale, ONLY pay with PayPal, NEVER deviate  from eBay policy. If you get hosed, and I have, you can get your money back normally a month out.

From an LE perspective, the t
Hard truth is, normally there is very little that we can do without credible evidence. If you should deviate from eBay policies and you get hosed, you are still a victim of internet crime or theft. In the aforementioned case, I worked with The US District Attorney and with his help, and a lot of footwork following up with banks and car dealerships, we were able to get a conviction....but, the victims still remain and were given a settlement by the court but...the perp will never pay these poor people back. The perp went to prison but because it was a first time offense in Federal court, the conviction means no chance of early release but I think he only spent a few short years in jail! The perp really will never be able to pay back the million plus dollars of stolen monies because...well...that's life...and as long as he makes good faith payments of what he can afford...well

Just be careful. Craigslist is a big problem too and reading the post really sends me over the edge because some people...they know....that if this $850 machine is being sold for $400 AND it's brand new it's clearly stolen. This kind of buyer is unscrupulous. The seller is a dirt bag but the buyer is contributing to the problem too. If you should get a really good deal, maybe the guy is good but maybe not, check the serial number through...in this case, and thank you for offering...you, Shane. You can also call your local police and query the serial number for an NCIC hit but if it wasn't entered into the system it will never be recovered, registering tools is so important. I think I read that somebody said they only buy from real dealers. That's really the only way to go. But it still doesn't stop me from going on eBay or CL, I just won't buy from shady people. I know this really doesn't help other than the typical "don't trust people" or of your an unscrupulous buyer "if you sleep with dogs...you're gonna get fleas". But when you think about it....document your tools, buy from reputable people and register your tools with your insurance company too.

 

[NHSP759]

http://78886.activeboard.com/t7886792/ebay-loves-profits-from-and-supports-crime-worldwide/?page=5

I can't figure out how to link this but it's a quick blurb from the internet