Domino XL price

OK, I can see the slope from here...  Now I'm thinking that's an outrageous price - what fool would put down that kind of money for a tool?  Did that with the classic Domino, the Kapex, the WCR, etc.  Then its, 'well, I don't do drugs or buy fancy cars or boats, don't I deserve this?'.  Then Paul Marcel or Brice or someone comes up with a video that shows just how cool it is and I start looking in the couch for spare change... Good thing it takes a while to get to NA, I will probably be softened up enough to buy the darn thing if I live that long...
 
Jesse Cloud said:
OK, I can see the slope from here...  Now I'm thinking that's an outrageous price - what fool would put down that kind of money for a tool?  Did that with the classic Domino, the Kapex, the WCR, etc.  Then its, 'well, I don't do drugs or buy fancy cars or boats, don't I deserve this?'.  Then Paul Marcel or Brice or someone comes up with a video that shows just how cool it is and I start looking in the couch for spare change... Good thing it takes a while to get to NA, I will probably be softened up enough to buy the darn thing if I live that long...

ROTHFLMAO....   the site doesn't have an  [jawdrop] yea one of those for that...

Cheers
Steve
 
Sorry guys, but €1500,- isn't even the official price. One thing to know about www.freesjabloon.nl is that this guy is not an official Festool dealer but somebody who sells his tools cheaper than Festool likes. He used to be even cheaper but currently his price level is at 90% of Festool prices. 
 
thats about the price we estimated in the first discussion.
but mind you that that dutch site has prices that are over 10% cheaper than the official dutch festool site prices.
that makes me think the price at your local dealer could be closer to €1700!
then you will (just like with the regular domino) aswel need to buy the set of XL domino's and cutters, so i think you can prepare to invest €2000 just to get started with the XL.

people pay €1700 for a kapex, while being well built and accurate, in the end it doesn't make any cuts that a €100 miter saw couldn't.
so i think people will pay that for a tool that does something no other tool can, and that actually can pay for itself with the time gain only. it's just not for everyone.
 
Alex said:
Sorry guys, but €1500,- isn't even the official price. One thing to know about www.freesjabloon.nl is that this guy is not an official Festool dealer but somebody who sells his tools cheaper than Festool likes. He used to be even cheaper but currently his price level is at 90% of Festool prices. 

Alex,

I'm not disputing what you say but how does get the tools?
 
I must say that I am not surprised by the price. there will not be as many of these sold as its smaller brother.so its a price/volume thing.Hmm I may be completly wrong as it may open up a whole heap of oportunitys and be sold in huge quantitys.
I will watch with great interest. being a huge fan of the domino

if you are involved in larger joinery it has to save you heaps of time and will pay for itself fairly quickly.

If I were to buy one I would probably look at making my own dominos depending on the festool price

but I doubt I will ever buy one, I have a 1" morticer for the small amount of larger mortices I cut, although the floor space could be used more efficiently.
 
Nigel said:
Alex said:
Sorry guys, but €1500,- isn't even the official price. One thing to know about www.freesjabloon.nl is that this guy is not an official Festool dealer but somebody who sells his tools cheaper than Festool likes. He used to be even cheaper but currently his price level is at 90% of Festool prices. 

Alex,

I'm not disputing what you say but how does get the tools?

Well, he has a "connection" somewhere as he told me. I talked with this guy personally about it because I've dealt a couple of times with him since he only lives 9 miles away from me. He said he imports a container full of goods from some foreign country once in the so many months. Wasn't too talkative about it, understandably. Festool knows about this guy and tries to stop him every which way they can but to no avail. At least, that's how it used to be. I noticed he upped his prices with 10 to 20% last year, so maybe he came to some understanding with Festool, I don't know, haven't dealt with him the last year.

 
 
This thing needs to have the function of clamping to the material.  Two plates, one on each side with a centering function like the Dowelmax.  Then you could get the reliable accuracy you need for furniture.  I don't think I could fork over this kind of cash without such a function. 

Here's how it works, you clamp the fixture to the workpiece without having to deal with the weight of the motor.  Then attach the mortiser and plunge.  Way, way better than a router jig and just as accurate as anything on the market, including chisel mortisers.  You don't have to rely on touch or technique to get a perfect mortise.

Of course keep the fence arrangement for freehand use. 

Doesn't this make sense?  And since it will be a couple of years before it's available in Texas Festool has plenty of time to get her done.
 
fshanno said:
This thing needs to have the function of clamping to the material.  Two plates, one on each side with a centering function like the Dowelmax.  Then you could get the reliable accuracy you need for furniture.  I don't think I could fork over this kind of cash without such a function. 

Here's how it works, you clamp the fixture to the workpiece without having to deal with the weight of the motor.  Then attach the mortiser and plunge.  Way, way better than a router jig and just as accurate as anything on the market, including chisel mortisers.  You don't have to rely on touch or technique to get a perfect mortise.

Of course keep the fence arrangement for freehand use. 

Doesn't this make sense?  And since it will be a couple of years before it's available in Texas Festool has plenty of time to get her done.

You are a glass half full sort of guy  [big grin]
 
Fshanno

What sort of furniture are you building where the current domino 10x50 tenon is insufficient?!

I think this xl machine is aimed more at timber frame guys, doors etc. Then the tolerances are wider than with furniture construction.
 
Alex said:
Sorry guys, but €1500,- isn't even the official price. One thing to know about www.freesjabloon.nl is that this guy is not an official Festool dealer but somebody who sells his tools cheaper than Festool likes. He used to be even cheaper but currently his price level is at 90% of Festool prices. 

DAM YOU!!  lol  Looking less likely its going to be cheaper in UK now lol! 

JMB
 
Richard Leon said:
Fshanno

What sort of furniture are you building where the current domino 10x50 tenon is insufficient?!

I think this xl machine is aimed more at timber frame guys, doors etc. Then the tolerances are wider than with furniture construction.

Actually I'm one of the ones who probably overestimates the strength of the standard tenons.  A multiple Domino joint is going to fail at the bottom of the mortise.  So use strong wood.  What sort of furniture?  I believe you can make just about anything using stock dominos.    Here's a table with a 250 lb concrete top.  2 10x50s in each joint.

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You may be right about Festool's intent.  But it looks like the XL would just about kill the hollow chisel mortiser for the small shop.  Anyway, it would kill Powermatic at their price point.  If you could clamp.
 
fshanno said:
Richard Leon said:
Fshanno

What sort of furniture are you building where the current domino 10x50 tenon is insufficient?!

I think this xl machine is aimed more at timber frame guys, doors etc. Then the tolerances are wider than with furniture construction.

Actually I'm one of the ones who probably overestimates the strength of the standard tenons.  A multiple Domino joint is going to fail at the bottom of the mortise.  So use strong wood.  What sort of furniture?  I believe you can make just about anything using stock dominos.    Here's a table with a 250 lb concrete top.  2 10x50s in each joint.

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You may be right about Festool's intent.  But it looks like the XL would just about kill the hollow chisel mortiser for the small shop.  Anyway, it would kill Powermatic at their price point.  If you could clamp.

IMHO I would very much doubt that, certainly in a joinery workshop. A hollow chisel morticer can handle every size from 1/4" through to 1" mortice chisels, it makes square mortices which are better when you use wedges into a joint for strength and also the workpiece is clamped on both sides.

Oh, and you can pick up a very good 2nd hand Sedgwick morticer for about £500. ;D

Then again perhaps I am just suffering from being trained in an apprenticeship scheme where we were taught that sometimes the traditional ways are still the best.

Those big oak doors at Peterborough cathedral were built that way in the 15th Century and they are still solid so perhaps they had a point! ::)

 
Guy Ashley said:
fshanno said:
Richard Leon said:
Fshanno

What sort of furniture are you building where the current domino 10x50 tenon is insufficient?!

I think this xl machine is aimed more at timber frame guys, doors etc. Then the tolerances are wider than with furniture construction.

Actually I'm one of the ones who probably overestimates the strength of the standard tenons.  A multiple Domino joint is going to fail at the bottom of the mortise.  So use strong wood.  What sort of furniture?  I believe you can make just about anything using stock dominos.    Here's a table with a 250 lb concrete top.  2 10x50s in each joint.

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You may be right about Festool's intent.  But it looks like the XL would just about kill the hollow chisel mortiser for the small shop.  Anyway, it would kill Powermatic at their price point.  If you could clamp.

IMHO I would very much doubt that, certainly in a joinery workshop. A hollow chisel morticer can handle every size from 1/4" through to 1" mortice chisels, it makes square mortices which are better when you use wedges into a joint for strength and also the workpiece is clamped on both sides.

Oh, and you can pick up a very good 2nd hand Sedgwick morticer for about £500. ;D

Then again perhaps I am just suffering from being trained in an apprenticeship scheme where we were taught that sometimes the traditional ways are still the best.

Those big oak doors at Peterborough cathedral were built that way in the 15th Century and they are still solid so perhaps they had a point! ::)

i don,t see it replacing the HCM but i think that it is bringing the workshop to site more
 
it makes square mortices which are better when you use wedges into a joint for strength and also the workpiece is clamped on both sides.

Really?????? Why?????????

Then again perhaps I am just suffering from being trained in an apprenticeship scheme where we were taught that sometimes the traditional ways are still the best.

Probably and not always

Those big oak doors at Peterborough cathedral were built that way in the 15th Century and they are still solid so perhaps they had a point!

Or perhaps the XL was not  avaliable then [smile]
 
John, you in one of your winding up moods  [tongue]

I too think square sides are best.  I cant see the XL being able to cut a mortise with a flared end ready to accept tenons with saw cuts in to accept wedges giving a dovetail effect.  The strongest method by far i think.

I think if the carpenters in the 15th century had the  XL they would have still cut it the propper way as they had the knowledge to know what joint is required.

Like i said before, dominoes are great for certain things but i know their limits.  I have not held one or tried one but i can tell you right now i will not be making doors with a domino XL, M&T joinery for me.

If anyone wants to prove me wrong them make up some large oak doors with the XL & tell me how they are holding up in 600 years  [big grin]
 
woodguy7 said:
John, you in one of your winding up moods  [tongue]

I too think square sides are best.  I cant see the XL being able to cut a mortise with a flared end ready to accept tenons with saw cuts in to accept wedges giving a dovetail effect.  The strongest method by far i think.

I think if the carpenters in the 15th century had the  XL they would have still cut it the propper way as they had the knowledge to know what joint is required.

Like i said before, dominoes are great for certain things but i know their limits.  I have not held one or tried one but i can tell you right now i will not be making doors with a domino XL, M&T joinery for me.

If anyone wants to prove me wrong them make up some large oak doors with the XL & tell me how they are holding up in 600 years  [big grin]

Why 600years? 

Why not a weight test which can be done in minutes.    Make a few joints with both M&T  and Domino  and test them with some weights or something

JMB
 
windmill man said:
Hi Brett,

You buying the XL for the tests??? [big grin]

John

I could do! I might do!  When it comes out in UK ill see how I feel at the time!  Maybe by then I dont want it! I dont recon that will happen though!  Ill properly buy it regardless lol  Ill do test for sure!  I wanna know for my self aswell as show Woodguy  [tongue]

JMB
 
Evening Woodguy,

Who me???????? Never been known old chap.

Mind you Mr Ashley has gone to find a dark room to lie down in [big grin] [big grin]

John
 
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