Dominoes to fit the middle and wide settings.

[fshanno]

I cut my own but I wouldn't if I could buy them.  I sometimes make multi-plunge mortises of various widths and of course I have to cut my own for these applications.  This has been so since the beginning of loose tenon joinery.  But it would sure be nice to have store bought tenons to match a good sampling of widths available with single plunges, especially for the larger bits.  This comes up every now and then but it's been a while if any Festool folks are listening.

 

[Notorious T.O.D.]

Check with Cincinnati Dowel as they make and sell "Dominos" and might be willing to do wider sizes for you also....

Best,
Todd

 

[fshanno]

Check with Cincinnati Dowel as they make and sell "Dominos" and might be willing to do wider sizes for you also....

Best,
Todd

I sent them an email.  I'll call tomorrow. 

Probably be tough to retool the high end saws and molders they use just for little old me and the couple of three thousand I would buy in my lifetime.  But the difference in width is pretty substantial with the 10mm bit.  I think people would buy a 10x34x50mm tenon.  In fact it might end up being used MORE than the standard 24mm width.

 

[fshanno]

This just in from Cincinnati Dowel.  Sales of the Tuffer Tenon are not meeting expectations.  Sales have barely covered the cost of tooling so any other sizes are out of the question.  In fact they may discontinue the standard sizes. 

So that begs the question.  How much is the cheapest acceptable quality high speed 4 side molder know to man, used or repossessed preferably?  You can get one new for a little less than $10,000.  Interesting.   

 

[Notorious T.O.D.]

Well, that is too bad, but I think lack of any promotion of the item may be part of the problem.

As, for the 4 sided molder, I would think that making a wider size would just mean adjusting the spacing of the spindles of the cutters rounding over the ends to the wider spacing and running some wider stock.

I could run miles of them on my shaper with a little tooling for the roundover.  They could also be done on a router table with a little effort.  Might be a good way to get rid of some scraps and offcuts...

Best,
Todd

 

[Tezzer]

I cut my own. The biggest I make is 58 x 54 x 10mm and 56 x 54 x 8mm. using the pins with 2 passes gives perfect accurate 58 and 56mm width mortises.   If you need to go deeper its a simple matter of drilling into them for the extra depth and chiselling out the waste just like a traditional tenon.

 

[fshanno]

I cut my own. The biggest I make is 58 x 54 x 10mm and 56 x 54 x 8mm. using the pins with 2 passes gives perfect accurate 58 and 56mm width mortises.   If you need to go deeper its a simple matter of drilling into them for the extra depth and chiselling out the waste just like a traditional tenon.

Great minds as they say!  I've got about 15 of exactly that size in my systainer right now!  I've played with the depth too.  And they are European beech to boot.  It's really simple since the shape of the mortise is already set.  The problem for me is that that 8 and 10mm I've usually got to do some resawing and planing.  I'd prefer to just rip them but I just don't have any 8/4 and I'm not going to buy it just for that.  But when I have some stock left over at or above 10mm thick I hang on to it. 

Amana makes bullnose router bits in metric sizes that would work perfect for rounding, one pass on each side.

Interesting tidbit.  I'm dissassembling and reglueing chairs for my inlaws.  REALLY nice mid century mod dining room set, 4 chairs, 2 arm chairs, by some designer that the atomic ranch people would recognize, easily worth $3000 today.  The chairs are all assembled with 10mm by 50mm dowels.  They held up for 40 years before they started getting rickety.  My father-in-law weighs in at about 260 now and was over 300 at times.  So don't tell me you can't make chairs with Dominos.  You CAN make chairs with Dominoes, all day long you can make chairs.  You can make chairs for dining room sets worth thousands of dollars.  Fine Woodworking is full of ka ka to even remotely imply that loose tenon joinery with mortises 25mm deep is somehow inadequate.  The chairs were glued with stinky hide glue and normal beech dowels.  Surely Dominoes and modern glues would do at least as well.