Door Hangers Kit

[sancho57]

Id like to see festool come up with a door hanger kit,  door jack, hook, hinge boring jig, way to use the MFT as a door bench…

Maybe a pkg, planer with fence, TS 55 and guide rail,

various sized levels etc

I know there have things folks have created to accomplish this but it would be nice to have a complete pakg that couple be stored in a Systainer etc.

I was watching Gary Katz's video on door hanging anf festool sure makes it look easy...

 

[Gary Katz]

Sancho,
Festool specializes in coming up with innovative tools that solve problems other tools leave behind--like saw dust, loose biscuit joinery, etc. They already have a great router for mortising (not boring) hinges--the 1010 is easy to hold in one hand and has plenty of power for even commercial hinges. And they have a great planer, and the saw and guide rail (I'd suggest the 75 for cutting doors, though). But there's no need for them to make hinge templates when other companies make good ones--and what would the improvements be anyway (Templaco for new jambs; Bosch for old jambs). And there are a couple of options for boring jigs--Classic Engineering and Templaco. Festool doesn't make an electric drill--and you need one of those for boring multiple doors. As for the the door hook...that's something any door hanger worth his salt--or any carpenter who wants to hang doors--should make for himself, though you can buy them from Al Constan, too! http://www.multiblades.com/doorhook.html

 

[woodguy7]

Gary, why wouldn't Festool make a jig for hinges ?

They made one for doing kitchen worktops (i wont buy it as it only does 600mm wide worktops) so why not for door hinges !

 

[Deansocial]

Gary, why wouldn't Festool make a jig for hinges ?

They made one for doing kitchen worktops (i wont buy it as it only does 600mm wide worktops) so why not for door hinges !

it does bigger than that woodguy, ask jmb about it

 

[woodguy7]

Dean, i thought JMB said you had to release the clamps, slide it forward, re clamp then finnish your cut.  Pretty sure he said it only does 600mm & you had to do all that to do a Howdens 616mm worktop ?

 

[AlexThePalex]

Festool actually made a jig for door hinges back in the time when they were still called Festo. I sometimes see one used come by. Very rare by now. Been discontinued long since.

I sometimes see the mantra "If Festool can't improve it, they won't make it" come by here. Biggest BS I've ever heard. Nice soundbite of course but no sensible company would really do business on that base. It all has to do with the volume of previous sales, or expected future sales.

 

[sancho57]

Sancho,
Festool specializes in coming up with innovative tools that solve problems other tools leave behind--like saw dust, loose biscuit joinery, etc. They already have a great router for mortising (not boring) hinges--the 1010 is easy to hold in one hand and has plenty of power for even commercial hinges. And they have a great planer, and the saw and guide rail (I'd suggest the 75 for cutting doors, though). But there's no need for them to make hinge templates when other companies make good ones--and what would the improvements be anyway (Templaco for new jambs; Bosch for old jambs). And there are a couple of options for boring jigs--Classic Engineering and Templaco. Festool doesn't make an electric drill--and you need one of those for boring multiple doors. As for the the door hook...that's something any door hanger worth his salt--or any carpenter who wants to hang doors--should make for himself, though you can buy them from Al Constan, too! http://www.multiblades.com/doorhook.html

Gary great seing you here. Great videos to. I wish I had them when i started out. But I'd likesomething that could fit in a nice systainer. I guess they sort of do already. BTW nice gate , Im going to be making one soon and using my festools to do it :>D

 

[Rob Z]

Sancho,

the Templaco stuff that I've bought (based on Gary's recommendations) is packaged in sturdy, well-made cases.  You could repackage all the jigs and parts in a systainer, and cut foam to fit everything, but the Templaco version is plenty good as-is, IMO.

 

[stairman]

I have had a Templaco kit for years,  and while it does a pretty good job, I wouldn't say it does an EXCELLENT job...  First and foremost, the steel spur bits that come with the basic kit...  -forget 'em  unless you're going to sharpen your bits very very frequently, they just don't hold their edge very well,  the templates are well thought out  (same router setup, -different thickness templates to accommodate) but the anchor pins tend to allow template movement, and the overall quality just hasn't stood the test of time  -as far as I am concerned.  I sold all my Templaco tools/kits and have been using a different line of door machining tools, and with the Festool system, it is almost EXCITING to get to go and machine a few doors.  between these templates, my own new and improved lock boring trick and using nothing but Festool tools for every step of the process, I am in and out faster, with nearly no mess,  crisp, clean machine-shop accuracy    -well you all know what you get using Festool,  "the usual"  (Festool Usual that is! )

I could say I have an entirely COMPLETE Door Hanging Tool Rig, if I could find a clever way to adapt the MFT into something similar to Rousseau's door hanging work-table,  any one use these?  they are pretty nice,  but not nice enough to justify their hefty price-tag.  If anyone has any nifty tricks for clamping doors into an MFT, I would love to hear about it.
-I suppose TWO MFT's makes more sense,  as a 2.25" 3/0 - 8/0 door can be a little on the heavy side 

 

[nydesign]

Stairman, can I ask what company you replaced your Templaco with? I just bought one of their kits this summer to hang 13 doors with.
I was really happy with the jig's they make, but since I only used them for a couple of weeks I can't review them for how long they last.

I think the case is well thought out, it might take 2 systainers to fit all the stuff in the Templaco case.

 

[jmbfestool]

Dean, i thought JMB said you had to release the clamps, slide it forward, re clamp then finnish your cut.  Pretty sure he said it only does 600mm & you had to do all that to do a Howdens 616mm worktop ?

I missed this thread oops!

Any way yeah the actaul jig its self only does 600 worktops but because how it's fixed to a raill and it's the raill you clamp down not the jig it's self! You don't need to release the clamps only loosen the jig from the rail and slide it along.  You keep it clamped at all times so you don't need to realign the jig all over again.  This method allows you to do much larger work tops 1000 or so accurately with no problems.    But to move the jig by 15mm is kinda annoying so I don't bother because it only leaves a very small lip which is repeated on the opposite worktop so it matches up any way no problem and silicon,tiles,boarded,trim whatever covers it no problem.

Jmb

 

[kdzito]

My 2 cents:

1. On using the MFT as a door bench, Per Swenson has a great tip on this.  I think he clamped the door to the side of the table.

2. For final wood door fitting I've seen the TS 55/75 used instead of a power planer.  This works very effectively and you can even put a consistent bevel on the latch side.

3. I've seen the MFS multi-routing template used very effectively as a jig/template for hinges, latch faces, and strikes.  Since it's adjustable you don't have dedicated jigs/templates for each hinge size nor the manufacturers variances (as in Templaco's versions).

4. On undercutting wood doors, which are already hung, I've seen the FS Rapid Clamp/Fixed Jaw used on the Guide Rail to make the cut. 

5. I have Classic Engineering's version (Boring Jig) of the Templaco Boremaster Kit.  As for comments about the spur bits longevity, both HSS and Carbide versions are available.  So for the bit's life span, the Carbide bit will last much, much longer.  Short of using a CNC for production wood door prep/machining I can't think of another efficient way to prep wood doors for hardware.

6. I'm a commercial carpentry contractor and with some of our projects consisting of multiple door openings numbering in the hundreds/thousands we have used drywall carts, door dollies, and even hand trucks for handling doors. 

I don't think there is a way that Festool can improve on what they currently offer as I'm assuming their answer for a Door Hanger's Kit is the MFS Multi-Routing Template, TS 55/75, Guide Rails, Clamps, and the user's creativity on how to use the MFT to hold the door.