Dust Extraction Advice

Segovia

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Hi

I am a hobbyist woodworker, weekend only and small projects. 

I have a 40lt Fein dust collector that I can hook up to my power tools which include Festool routers, it's about 10 years old so I am retiring it to a shop vac.  I will probably get a Festool extractor but bewildered at the number of options available.  Tried to contact Festool but permanently engaged. What would you advise, the CT MIDI, I don't want to spend a fortune, £400.00 would be my tops

J   
 
The Midi or a Mini is great and will fullfil all your needs. Buy it, don't look back. You'll be very happy with it.
 
I've had the Midi for about 6 months and love it. Its very effective with all my power tools.

Worth getting the hose mounted bluetooth button too.
 
Which particular tools are you intending to connect?  The type, particulate size & volume of swarf produced will be relevant to hose size, vac capacity & adjustability.

Will you require the safe extraction & disposal of potentially hazardous materials: lead based paints, silicates & concrete derivatives, asbestos & other fibrous residue etc?  This should determine the safety rating of your extractor choice.
 
MIDI should be ample for what you've outlined.

Segovia said:
Hi

I am a hobbyist woodworker, weekend only and small projects. 

I have a 40lt Fein dust collector that I can hook up to my power tools which include Festool routers, it's about 10 years old so I am retiring it to a shop vac.  I will probably get a Festool extractor but bewildered at the number of options available.  Tried to contact Festool but permanently engaged. What would you advise, the CT MIDI, I don't want to spend a fortune, £400.00 would be my tops

 
If you’re only using power tools, not stationary machinery, and occasional/weekend only a Midi will suit you great. Suits me for similar use with SCM saw, routers, sanders, rail saw etc.

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aloysius said:
Which particular tools are you intending to connect?  The type, particulate size & volume of swarf produced will be relevant to hose size, vac capacity & adjustability.

Will you require the safe extraction & disposal of potentially hazardous materials: lead based paints, silicates & concrete derivatives, asbestos & other fibrous residue etc?  This should determine the safety rating of your extractor choice.

Jeez, talk about going off on a tangent, he is a hobbyist woodworker.

I doubt he needs it to clean up Chernobyl.
 
[member=65618]Segovia[/member] I'm a hobby woodworker also. When I bought my CT the decision was based on the fact that I would never move it out of my workshop and it would be used as dust collection for my TS55, Festool routers, Festool sanders, and the Domino. Because of my use for all of those tools, I wasn't moving it out of my shop, and I really didn't want to be emptying it frequently, I went with the CT48.

If I was using it just for less tools, like just sanders for example, I'd would have bought a much smaller CT or the Midi.

As for performance, I was never sorry I bought the CT. It works with all the tools I use it for, collects more of the dust than any other vac I've owned (including my old Fein which is a great vac), is quiet, and doesn't require frequent cleaning or maintenance.
 
If you're not wed to the Festool brand or aesthetics, the Bosch GAS range may offer you better value for money.
 
Alex said:
aloysius said:
Which particular tools are you intending to connect?  The type, particulate size & volume of swarf produced will be relevant to hose size, vac capacity & adjustability.

Will you require the safe extraction & disposal of potentially hazardous materials: lead based paints, silicates & concrete derivatives, asbestos & other fibrous residue etc?  This should determine the safety rating of your extractor choice.

Jeez, talk about going off on a tangent, he is a hobbyist woodworker.

I doubt he needs it to clean up Chernobyl.

Yet even "hobbyist woodworkers" need the right type of extractor.  Personally, I hated the CTL Sys Vac's lack of speed adjustability almost as much as it's puny dust volume.  Even with a Longlife bag fitted it was frustrating to use for sanding.  The short hosepipe limited its usefulness for sawing, too. 

A 15L Midi vac will fill to beyond capacity in mere seconds when fitted to a Festool planer.  A larger size, such as the OP's original 40L Fein, is more sensible.  Routers can also produce large amounts of swarf.

If you're sanding old lead-based paint or urea formaldehide glued sheet material, then a higher safety-rated model (M or ideally H) will be safer than an L-rated model.  Renovating in & around old Fibro or even Hardieflex sheeted buildings mean there's dangerous dusts to deal with.  Even raw wood fibres can be harmful: some highly allergenic.

It's not "Chernobyl", but the majority of pre-1970s households here in Oz that have hazardous (& potentially deadly) building materials used in roofing, cladding, insulation, water pipe lagging &/or in older appliances.  Similar building materials have been used for a century or more elsewhere in the world.

There's NO safe minimum exposure level to asbestos fibre. 

For best results with a large variety of tools, an adjustable-speed vac extractor is more versatile.

To me it makes sense to apply the correct tool to the task, even for a hobbyist. 
 
I have 3 Midi Vacs. One dedicated to my Kapex through a shortened 36mm hose, one dedicated to the overarm dust collector on my SawStop table saw, and one general purpose. I also have a Fein for general purpose cleaning. The Midi fits neatly under the Kapex UG stand.

I also have two 2-HP cyclones connected through sturdy ducting to the major machines.

For me, the Midis have performed extremely well. I hook the general purpose Midi to my sanders using about 1/2 vacuum power. Works well for my TS55 and various routers as well.

I have the little shoebox Festool vac. If I’m using the TS55 out of the shop, I use the “shoebox” vac.

All this to say the Midi is very flexible in its applications.
 
aloysius said:
If you're sanding old lead-based paint or urea formaldehide glued sheet material, then a higher safety-rated model (M or ideally H) will be safer than an L-rated model.  Renovating in & around old Fibro or even Hardieflex sheeted buildings mean there's dangerous dusts to deal with.  Even raw wood fibres can be harmful: some highly allergenic.

It's not "Chernobyl", but the majority of pre-1970s households here in Oz that have hazardous (& potentially deadly) building materials used in roofing, cladding, insulation, water pipe lagging &/or in older appliances.  Similar building materials have been used for a century or more elsewhere in the world.

The amount of these materials a HOBBYIST woodworker is going to encounter is so small it faces no threat whatsoever. OP is never going to need anything more than an L class vac. Presenting options that only matter to professionals who are exposed to these things day-in-day-out year after year, is not helpful at all.

aloysius said:
There's NO safe minimum exposure level to asbestos fibre. 

So true. But if you gonna advice a hobbyist woodworker to get a vac rated for asbestos just to be on the safe side, you're out of your mind.
 
Thanks for the feedback the MIDI looks like it will satisfy my needs, I spoke with Axminster Tools UK  today and they said the M class isn't needed unless I am working on a site that mandates M class dust management. 

Are they correct, will the L class satisfy my requirements?

Regards

J
 
The only real difference between M and L class Midis is the audible alarm on the M class. The actual filters are the same.

So for non pro work you should be fine with L class.

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Segovia said:
Thanks for the feedback the MIDI looks like it will satisfy my needs, I spoke with Axminster Tools UK  today and they said the M class isn't needed unless I am working on a site that mandates M class dust management. 

Are they correct, will the L class satisfy my requirements?

Regards

J

Perhaps a little late to the discussion, but do you folks have the CT15 in your respective countries? If you have no need of the blue tooth option or the hose garage, it's essentially the Midi with a non-antistatic hose, no hose garage and no blue tooth for $349 vs $640 for the Midi. That said, no blue tooth could be a deal breaker. The side of both dust extractors makes it very convenient to move them about or take them onsite. Best of luck in your decision process.
 
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