Dust Extractor Hose Question

[javaboy]

I am planning to buy a dust extractor soon. My only Festools so far are the TS-55 and OF 1400. In researching the dust extractors, i have seen a number of users say that the larger diameter hose is needed for routing and sawing because the small stock hose is prone to clogging on the chips made by routing especially. Given thatinformation, I don't see why I would even want the small dismeter hose. Is there any reason at all to have the small hose? Is it possible to buy a CT with the large hose instead of the small hose, or do I have to resign myself to buying the hose I really need?

Compact size is very important to me. I would really prefer the Midi,but from what I am understanding, it will not fit the larger hose. Is that true?

 

[ccarrolladams]

I am planning to buy a dust extractor soon. My only Festools so far are the TS-55 and OF 1400. In researching the dust extractors, i have seen a number of users say that the larger diameter hose is needed for routing and sawing because the small stock hose is prone to clogging on the chips made by routing especially. Given thatinformation, I don't see why I would even want the small dismeter hose. Is there any reason at all to have the small hose? Is it possible to buy a CT with the large hose instead of the small hose, or do I have to resign myself to buying the hose I really need?

Compact size is very important to me. I would really prefer the Midi,but from what I am understanding, it will not fit the larger hose. Is that true?

[welcome] to The FOG,

All Festool CT dust extractors include a 27mm AS hose in the purchase price. Some dealers, on their own, will exchange a 36mm hose for the difference in the price. Of course doing so is entirely up to the dealer.

It is true, in my own experience for the TS55 and TS75, as well as the OF1400 and OF2200 routers, the 36mm AS hose is necessary for several reasons. Clearly with the routers chips and shavings are less likely to clog the hose. The larger routers also generate far more dust than do the plunge saws. Still, the larger hose does improve dust collection.

To me the major benefit of using a 36mm AS hose with the TS55 is that because the saw is moving in a straight line, having a flexible hose is far from necessary. The larger and slightly stiffer 36mm hose is much lest likely to get caught on the guide rail or edges of sheet material.

The 27mm hose is needed for the smaller routers and all the sanders, as well as the Dominoes and jigsaws. So you might like the option many of us take. We buy any of several Festool clean-up sets which include a 36mm AS hose. Those can include a Systainer, so the Systainer winds up being free. If you add the cost of the hose to the clean-up components, they are the same as the set, meaning the Systainer is free.

 

[Stone Message]

The advice from ccarol above is spot on.

I kept the 27mm hose that came with my CTL26 as it is perfect for the RO90 and Dominos (and many other things). I have a Kapex 120 and I use a short piece of 36mm hose for that. I use a 5m long 36mm hose for the big dust generators. The 36mm hose is quite stiff and that is why the 5m length is better as it means that there is enough spare to loop the hose over a strap hanging from the ceiling which makes sawing and routing much easier.

Peter

 

[javaboy]

Thank you for the information and user tips!

 

[skids]

Thank you for the information and user tips!

I just bought the Festool non-antistatic hose, shortest length. You don't need antistat. What I would tell you is this hose (link below) fits over the Kapex port nice and tight and fits the vacs as well, right out of the box and it's cheaper than any Festool hose.

http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=5951&Max=999

I personally tried it in the store on a Kapex, just didn't buy it out of some weird psychosis I have suddenly developed where I feel the need to buy everything Festool. And the fact it's orange and that somehow how suggests Home Depot rigid vac in my mind..Makes no sense I admit..But it's a cheaper option that I can tell you will work just as well.

 

[ccarrolladams]

I just bought the Festool non-antistatic hose, shortest length. You don't need antistat. What I would tell you is this hose (link below) fits over the Kapex port nice and tight and fits the vacs as well, right out of the box and it's cheaper than any Festool hose.

Well, as we say your mileage may vary.

My extensive experience is that in my dry Southern California climate use of non-antistatic hose many serious problems often enough, in my use the minor savings just does not convince me to to use any non-AS hose, especially with the Kapex.

Those who know me well are aware that I am thrifty, spending only what is necessary. I have tried the alternatives and concluded long ago paying the retail list price for Festool in the long run saves me money. So, when I share that in my experience in Southern California the antistatic hose is necessary, my opinion is back by a ton of experience.

Still, I am not a Festool USA employee or spokesperson. How anyone else spends money is not my concern.

This past weekend I participated in the In-Touch Tools of Palm Desert 'Festool Extravaganza' featuring Steve Bace and Allen Kensley of Festool. Among the tools they were using was a CMX with an OF1400 router. I have used the CMX in Europe and in Festool classes, but this time my seat gave me a clear view of the Y fitting and duel collection hoses. Both were non-AntiStatic. Perhaps that is how the CMXs were set up in Nevada and I did not bend down to notice.

Still, my experience is that AS is less important clearing chips and shavings as from a planer and some router operation as opposed to the kind of dust and tiny chips generated by TS saws and the Kapex.

It is your money so buy what makes you happy.

 

[javaboy]

Thank you skids and ccaroladams for the additional info.

 

[skids]

I just bought the Festool non-antistatic hose, shortest length. You don't need antistat. What I would tell you is this hose (link below) fits over the Kapex port nice and tight and fits the vacs as well, right out of the box and it's cheaper than any Festool hose.

Well, as we say your mileage may vary.

My extensive experience is that in my dry Southern California climate use of non-antistatic hose many serious problems often enough, in my use the minor savings just does not convince me to to use any non-AS hose, especially with the Kapex.

Those who know me well are aware that I am thrifty, spending only what is necessary. I have tried the alternatives and concluded long ago paying the retail list price for Festool in the long run saves me money. So, when I share that in my experience in Southern California the antistatic hose is necessary, my opinion is back by a ton of experience.

Still, I am not a Festool USA employee or spokesperson. How anyone else spends money is not my concern.

This past weekend I participated in the In-Touch Tools of Palm Desert 'Festool Extravaganza' featuring Steve Bace and Allen Kensley of Festool. Among the tools they were using was a CMX with an OF1400 router. I have used the CMX in Europe and in Festool classes, but this time my seat gave me a clear view of the Y fitting and duel collection hoses. Both were non-AntiStatic. Perhaps that is how the CMXs were set up in Nevada and I did not bend down to notice.

Still, my experience is that AS is less important clearing chips and shavings as from a planer and some router operation as opposed to the kind of dust and tiny chips generated by TS saws and the Kapex.

It is your money so buy what makes you happy.

Hey we can all talk ourselves into any one thing or another I suppose..Heck I just spent $1400 on miter saw..Whoa! But I wholeheartedly (and respectfully) disagree. The Kapex doesn't need an Antistat hose. Those hoses are most useful in sanding applications. And I live in an area with varying dry periods, and my house (where my woodshop is) is like an old box of saltines kind of dry.

OP, you are totally FINE with a non antistat. IMO your better off putting your extra money towards something else, that gets you a clamp from Festool with enough leftover for lunch. The difference in price between AS and regular hose is about $50, not sure when $50 became a small savings. You will never truly realize the benefits of AS on a miter saw.

 

[Guilliaume woodworks]

I've got the t55 with the ct26 & 27mm....it works awesome,use it everyday and can't remember ever clogging...I installed the techflex hose cover to solve the snagging on rail&material issue.... Wouldn't spring the extra dough on larger hose...but I havent needed or wanted to use 36mm hose

 

[semenza]

Java,

Welcome to the FOG!  [smile]

The D36 hose will make a big  difference on the 1400 router. It will make some difference on the TS55 but not a lot. For the 1400 alone, it is worth getting.  If you add any other Festool tools  (Sanders and Domino) you will need the D27.  Ultimately you will want both.

Seth

 

[Tinker]

I have the 36 AS hose mounted on my boom arm.  I have a couple of short sections (about 16"s or so) that I have cut from a full length of 27mm AS hose.  I apply the short section between tool and 36mm hose.  There seems to be no loss of suction with the short length of 27 attached to the 36mm hose.  For my HL850, I just hook up the 36 mm direct.  I am using the old CT 33 to do everything.

It works for me
Tinker

 

[woodie]

Just to mention yet another option  [big grin], the Planex hose (496972). It's a 36mm anti-static hose as well. The advantage over the standard AS hose is that it's crazy flexible. I fight my regular 36mm AS hose all the time, although I do have a pretty small workspace and no boom arm.

The only drawback to the planex hose is that it won't fit Festool planers. The planex hose has a flange on the tool end (for locking to planex) and the planers are designed to have a 36mm hose slide inside the tool fitting instead of over it. However, a benefit to the flange is that the added rubber seems to make for a "more snug" fit on other tools.

As mentioned, you'll still need a 27mm hose for sanders and the domino.  Instead of swapping between two hoses though you could just make or buy a 27mm adapter hose. See the link below.

https://www.bobmarinosbesttools.com/hose-adapter-27mm-to-36mm/p/HOSEADAPTER/

 

[Tinker]

Just to mention yet another option  [big grin], the Planex hose (496972). It's a 36mm anti-static hose as well. The advantage over the standard AS hose is that it's crazy flexible. I fight my regular 36mm AS hose all the time, although I do have a pretty small workspace and no boom arm.

The only drawback to the planex hose is that it won't fit Festool planers. The planex hose has a flange on the tool end (for locking to planex) and the planers are designed to have a 36mm hose slide inside the tool fitting instead of over it. However, a benefit to the flange is that the added rubber seems to make for a "more snug" fit on other tools.

As mentioned, you'll still need a 27mm hose for sanders and the domino.  Instead of swapping between two hoses though you could just make or buy a 27mm adapter hose. See the link below.

https://www.bobmarinosbesttools.com/hose-adapter-27mm-to-36mm/p/HOSEADAPTER/

That's what i was talking about.  I made up a couple of them so when working with several tools for a project, i don't have to unhitch from the tool all the time.
Tinker

 

[UncleJoe]

Tinker

Where did you get the parts and how much. I think I would like to do this and I already have some extra hose.

 

[jmbfestool]

Like mentioned before anti-static is not really needed to be honest.

I sold my anti-static hose as soon as I got my second festool vac  because I never use my first 27mm anti-static hose.  I have another brand new 27mm anti static hose which came with my 3rd festool vac which is for sale if any one wants it by the way.

I bought a few NON anit-static larger hoses 4meter long and a few smaller hoses to replace  the anti-static ones.  One because they are cheaper but mainly because I HATE the anti-static hoses  they are far to stiff!  I love how much more flexible the non anti static ones are a lot better!

You do need both size hoses. As the router and kapex and planers run a lot better on a larger hose!  But the sanders and dominos jigsaw only take the smaller hose size.

Jmb

 

[Tinker]

Tinker

Where did you get the parts and how much. I think I would like to do this and I already have some extra hose.

Uncle Bob has short hoses made up as you can see in an entry above.
Tinker

 

[Hotwheels]

I have a 36mm non-antistatic hose attached to my Kapex ... it is too long. I would like to cut it to a length that fits the workspace I have ... I assume I just need the replacement parts for one end of the hose?

 

[AlexThePalex]

I have a 36mm non-antistatic hose attached to my Kapex ... it is too long. I would like to cut it to a length that fits the workspace I have ... I assume I just need the replacement parts for one end of the hose?

John, if you want to shorten the hose you don't need to buy anything extra, just cut it to length and then screw the tool end nozzle back on. If you grab with your finger inside the nozzle you can catch the inner ring and twist it off and on the hose again.

But are you sure you want to do this? You'll destroy quite some value by cutting the hose, they aren't cheap. I would try to find a way to curl the hose up instead.

 

[semenza]

I have a 36mm non-antistatic hose attached to my Kapex ... it is too long. I would like to cut it to a length that fits the workspace I have ... I assume I just need the replacement parts for one end of the hose?

DC performance is  reported to be a little better with the shortened hose for the Kapex as well.

Both ends of the hose are removable.

If you want make use of the the extra hose  you can buy the connectors .... Get 452 893 Rotating Connector and 487 721 Tool End Reducing Sleeve that will make a spare short hose. Or get two of 452 893 Rotating Connector to make and extension hose. You then just need a basic shop vac type connecting sleeve to connect two hoses together.  The above are the non-AS parts.

Seth

 

[skids]

I have a 36mm non-antistatic hose attached to my Kapex ... it is too long. I would like to cut it to a length that fits the workspace I have ... I assume I just need the replacement parts for one end of the hose?

DC performance is  reported to be a little better with the shortened hose for the Kapex as well.

Both ends of the hose are removable.

If you want make use of the the extra hose  you can buy the connectors .... Get 452 893 Rotating Connector and 487 721 Tool End Reducing Sleeve that will make a spare short hose. Or get two of 452 893 Rotating Connector to make and extension hose. You then just need a basic shop vac type connecting sleeve to connect two hoses together.  The above are the non-AS parts.

Seth

I just ordered and still waiting for a non AS hose for my Kapex..Question is..Is the hose end it ships with removable? Why couldn't one just cut the hose, remove the end and then reattach the end it came with? Then just put the cut piece aside for another time. Not possible?