End of hose came off

[yellowtruck75]

The black end of my green hose came off.  When I was disconnecting my dust collection hose from my sander the black rubber end came off.  How do I reattach the end of the hose?

 

[tbellemare]

There are two little black tabs that, when depressed, release the end cap from the main body of the hose end. You will then find that there are 3 parts. The third part screws on to the hose with left-hand threads. Just load the end cap first, screw on the threaded sleeve and re-attach the hose end body to the hose end cap.

Tom

 

[PaulMarcel]

Ah, I've never taken the end apart; interesting to know what it looks like inside.

When they pop off, all I do is hold the end and stick my finger inside pressing on the rotating collar; you can then easily thread it back onto the hose (left-hand threading).

 

[Corwin]

Fixing a Separated Dust Hose Connection

 

[yellowtruck75]

Got it fixed,  thanks

 

[mouppe]

Fixing a Separated Dust Hose Connection

Nice bump Corwin, I remember using this thread when I had the same problem.

 

[Steve R]

Ah, I've never taken the end apart; interesting to know what it looks like inside.

When they pop off, all I do is hold the end and stick my finger inside pressing on the rotating collar; you can then easily thread it back onto the hose (left-hand threading).

OH Paul you didn't see the push connectors? 

You need to be more inquisitive.

Just joking with you...

Cheers,
Steve

 

[fdengel]

As often as this comes up, wouldn't it be nice if each hose and each tool that included a hose included a sheet of paper with clear instructions (and pictures) of how to attach the ends?

Shouldn't be too hard (or particularly expensive...)

 

[Steve R]

As often as this comes up, wouldn't it be nice if each hose and each tool that included a hose included a sheet of paper with clear instructions (and pictures) of how to attach the ends?

Shouldn't be too hard (or particularly expensive...)

I agree, another place would be in the catalog at the location of the product.  I do carry a Catalog in one of my Systainers, Any one new to Festool finds reading the catalogs helpful as they do have tips in them.  I know when I started with Festool I read it and found out what accessories were offered. when I found the ends were replace able, which I liked. Knowing that they are replaceable made me look at them closely and I found the punch locks. 

I do agree with your point that there is a lot that we don't know... and hoses don't come with manuals...LOL. 

At the Festool Event at 7 Corners Hardware, Steve Bace over lunch took the end off of a hose to cover just the point of this thread. Many at the event didn't know how.

Cheers,
Steve

 

[AlexThePalex]

As often as this comes up, wouldn't it be nice if each hose and each tool that included a hose included a sheet of paper with clear instructions (and pictures) of how to attach the ends?

Would even be nicer if they just made a nozzle that wouldn't have this problem at all. Mine comes off at least once a day. Bought a new one, still same problem. The internal ring just doesn't stick with enough force to the hose.

Btw, I think it's gonna be hard for a manufacturer to include such an instruction sheet, because it means admitting their product can fail so easily.

 

[Steve R]

As often as this comes up, wouldn't it be nice if each hose and each tool that included a hose included a sheet of paper with clear instructions (and pictures) of how to attach the ends?

Would even be nicer if they just made a nozzle that wouldn't have this problem at all. Mine comes off at least once a day. Bought a new one, still same problem. The internal ring just doesn't stick with enough force to the hose.

Btw, I think it's gonna be hard for a manufacturer to include such an instruction sheet, because it means admitting their product can fail so easily.

Alex,

I assume you are saying it comes off the hose.

A couple of things you might want to try.

First disassemble the end and clean it with whatever you need to use to rid it of oils from your hands or any other contaminate that might have come in contact with the hose end and the interior of the connector.

Second you might want to cut off a couple of inches/CM maybe the hose end got stepped on.

The connector is made of soft material to make the best connection.  I'm not Festool... but what that says to me is it is made ware and should wear thought use and over time.  Being able to replace it says to me that Festools is smart and designs it product to be fixed not replaced.  [thumbs up]  I'm very glad I don't have to by a new AS hose every year because I connect it a few thousand times a year. That way I don't have to replace the connections of the tools themselves.

Cheers,
Steve

 

[Corwin]

As often as this comes up, wouldn't it be nice if each hose and each tool that included a hose included a sheet of paper with clear instructions (and pictures) of how to attach the ends?

Would even be nicer if they just made a nozzle that wouldn't have this problem at all. Mine comes off at least once a day. Bought a new one, still same problem. The internal ring just doesn't stick with enough force to the hose.

Btw, I think it's gonna be hard for a manufacturer to include such an instruction sheet, because it means admitting their product can fail so easily.

If you are having this problem on a daily basis, why not address the problem with a little logic?  The only problem here is that the inner threaded piece is unscrewing from the hose.  So, disassemble these parts and reinstall with some adhesive caulk between the hose and the threaded piece -- that should prevent this from unscrewing so much.

 

[Steve R]

As often as this comes up, wouldn't it be nice if each hose and each tool that included a hose included a sheet of paper with clear instructions (and pictures) of how to attach the ends?

Would even be nicer if they just made a nozzle that wouldn't have this problem at all. Mine comes off at least once a day. Bought a new one, still same problem. The internal ring just doesn't stick with enough force to the hose.

Btw, I think it's gonna be hard for a manufacturer to include such an instruction sheet, because it means admitting their product can fail so easily.

If you are having this problem on a daily basis, why not address the problem with a little logic?  The only problem here is that the inner threaded piece is unscrewing from the hose.  So, disassemble these parts and reinstall with some adhesive caulk between the hose and the threaded piece -- that should prevent this from unscrewing so much.

Oh sure through logic in our face  [blink]. I still would clean it first to see if that fixes the issue.

I do agree that gluing it in place is an option.... just maybe not the first option.

Cheers,
Steve

 

[Corwin]

Oh sure through logic in our face  [blink]. I still would clean it first to see if that fixes the issue.

I do agree that gluing it in place is an option.... just maybe not the first option.

I was suggesting using an adhesive caulk that would make the part stick to the hose, yet would be somewhat easy to remove and clean off it needed at a later date.  I would not recommend a more permanent type of glue.

On edit:  Of course, some properly placed chewing gum might just do the trick.  [tongue]

 

[Steve R]

Oh sure through logic in our face  [blink]. I still would clean it first to see if that fixes the issue.

I do agree that gluing it in place is an option.... just maybe not the first option.

I was suggesting using an adhesive caulk that would make the part stick to the hose, yet would be somewhat easy to remove and clean off it needed at a later date.  I would not recommend a more permanent type of glue.

Corwin,

Even if they did use a permanent glue/adhesive it would only cost about four CM of tube to cut off. If they needed to.

Cheers,
Steve

 

[AlexThePalex]

Guys, thanks for the well meant advice but I've already tried everything you mentioned with little succes. I do admit I'm quite the mover when working with my sanders on a house, after a short while the power cord is completely twisted around my hose and they're so intertwined you'd think they came from the factory that way. Just my style of moving/working, it goes without thinking. But I never had the end come off with other vacs from other brands, and they also had replaceable hose ends. The Festool solution is simply flawed.

The hose itself is made of pretty flexible, smooth and light, thin-walled material, so it doesn't leave much grip for the screw-on part. On the other hand, the black rubber of the nozzel sticks very well to the screw-on part because of it's texture, and this way you have more friction between the rubber and the screw-on part than between the hose and that part. We pay a premium price for Festool products to get (as advertised) the best of the best, and then an issue like this shouldn't exist.

I don't need to remind you I'm not the only one with this problem, enough posts exists about this issue here on the FOG and I'm sure most of our members have experienced this themselves first hand.      

All Festool needs to do is make the inner ring stick better to the hose from the start.

 

[Steve R]

Alex,

Have you tried. http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?Partnumber=082-390 that you can run over your hose and cord? Once I just Velcroed the power cord to the hose... my issues stopped.

Cheers,
Steve

 

[Alan m]

what would be wrong with epoxing on the ring and being done with it. i know it will never come off even if you wanted it to  but the cost to you every day in fixing it and the cost of spewing dust out for that short time  and the cost of sucking up that dust etc, reputational damage , finish damage etc. this will easily cover the cost of a whole new hose let allone the cost of a new end if the other one broke

 

[Steve R]

what would be wrong with epoxing on the ring and being done with it. i know it will never come off even if you wanted it to  but the cost to you every day in fixing it and the cost of spewing dust out for that short time  and the cost of sucking up that dust etc, reputational damage , finish damage etc. this will easily cover the cost of a whole new hose let allone the cost of a new end if the other one broke

Alan,

I'm with you on this.  I just don't think Alex wants to fix it.  [poke]

Cheers,
Steve

 

[AlexThePalex]

what would be wrong with epoxing on the ring and being done with it. i know it will never come off even if you wanted it to  but the cost to you every day in fixing it and the cost of spewing dust out for that short time  and the cost of sucking up that dust etc, reputational damage , finish damage etc. this will easily cover the cost of a whole new hose let allone the cost of a new end if the other one broke

You're greatly exaggerating the negative effects here Alan [smile] , no the hose end coming off doesn't cost me one cent, nor does it affect my reputation or finish. And no matter how good the dust collection is, sanding trim and doors and sills still is going to be dusty so that one second without a hose doesn't really make a difference. Reattaching it also doesn't take much time. It a bloody nuisance, that's all, not really anything major, but it shouldn't have to be this way.

I've tried glueing it. Now I'm probably very bad at glueing  [embarassed] , but the result was that the whole rubber part got so stuck it wouldn't turn anymore, and you can't work with it that way.

But wait a second  [blink] ....... I paid good money for my vac ....... why should I be the one to fix it?