ETS-EC 150/3 & 5 Brushless Sanders

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This is a new piece, compiled from questions and discussions we've had about the new brushless sanders in our Prep to Finish "Technology in Painting" classes in the past few months:
http://preptofinish.com/festool-brushless-sanders/

Hope it is helpful to members who are trying to keep track of all the sanders.
 
Holmz said:
The is a great review [member=13337]Scott Burt[/member] .

Thanks [member=40772]Holmz[/member] , glad you found it helpful.
 
So tell me [member=13337]Scott Burt[/member] , as I do not have any decks to do, would you use a ETS EC 150/5 on a deck?
Is it a second, 3rd or 4th choice behind an RO150?
(I would probably grab a belt sander as that is what I have always done in the past.)
And how much slower would it be than an RO150?

I just picked up a used bench yesterday, but it had a couple of decent record vices on it.  [big grin]
I think I slap some 60 or 80 grit on my 6" sander and have a swhirl at it, but I am interested in your thoughts as you have undoubtedly done a lot more than I have.
 
Holmz said:
So tell me [member=13337]Scott Burt[/member] , as I do not have any decks to do, would you use a ETS EC 150/5 on a deck?
Is it a second, 3rd or 4th choice behind an RO150?
(I would probably grab a belt sander as that is what I have always done in the past.)
And how much slower would it be than an RO150?

I just picked up a used bench yesterday, but it had a couple of decent record vices on it.  [big grin]
I think I slap some 60 or 80 grit on my 6" sander and have a swhirl at it, but I am interested in your thoughts as you have undoubtedly done a lot more than I have.

[member=40772]Holmz[/member]

It would depend on the condition of the deck. If the deck was solid stained and in a flaking, peeling, failing condition that needed to be stripped to raw wood, I would use Rotex for sure and it would be probably twice as fast as the 150/5.

On the other hand, if it was an exotic deck (such as ipe) and just needed a mid grit sand prior to a clear oil application, I would use the 150/5 over the Rotex and it would be considerably faster because I could one hand float with it, and it is lighter and better balanced than the Rotex for that type of sanding.

We used the old ETS sanders a lot in that situation and will be rolling the EC series into those projects this year.


 
So if I had a $hithaus board (which in American translates to mean warped, cupped, twisted, or otherwise not too flash), then how would you rate the RAS-115 and ETS EC 150/5 compared to the RO-150?

(But then I also need to consider sanding media...)
 
Holmz said:
So if I had a $hithaus board (which in American translates to mean warped, cupped, twisted, or otherwise not too flash), then how would you rate the RAS-115 and ETS EC 150/5 compared to the RO-150?

(But then I also need to consider sanding media...)

RAS is definitely the most extreme, aggressive solution for fast removal of material, and it can pretty easily sand cups flat, etc. Downside is that it really doesn't double as a "normal" sander, it only really comes out in bad situations. To me, at the practical level,  it is more like a grinder than a sander. And, the dust extraction isn't as good as on the EC and the RO.

I'd consider the EC 150 to be a good all around general 80-220 grit solution. If you are sanding below 80 much and need more power the Rotex is a great choice.

Its a subjective thing, based on the type of work you do most. My guess is that for most people, the EC would be the sander most likely to be grabbed in the broadest variety of tasks. In my opinion, it is a more user friendly and better handling random orbital. The Rotex in orbital mode is good but not as balanced and quite heavier. We really only use it in the gear driven mode when more power is needed.

And as above, RAS is usually the "break glass in case of emergency" option.

This is why I always ask people what grits they sand at the most and what types of projects they do the most (size, vertical v. horizontal orientation, interior/exterior, desired finish, etc). These are generalities based on my experience (as a painter primarily). Other users mileage will vary on all of these tools based on the type of work being done.

None of them are a magic bullet until you perfectly match your choice to the way you work.
 
That's a brilliant, concise set of reasoning and one I'd echo.

I have the ETS 150/3 and RO 150, and even though I know I have the 5mm random orbit available on the RO, I always reach for the ETS because of the balance in use. But when I need to power through removal in lower grits, the RO 150 excels. I don't think I've personally come across anything I'd feel I'd need a RAS for over the RO, but I'm sure it has its place.

I like that I also have the RO 150 available to me for polishing etc. too.

The two sanders, the ETS 150/3 and RO 150, provide a great combination for my use and matching the 150 paper size allows me a huge amount of flexibility in choosing the right tool (and grit) for the job.
 
Yeah it is good reasoning.

I am mostly taking down planed wood. The 1/2 sheet is my go to as it works well, but I have a 150/5 as well for more aggression. I just use the 1/2 sheet as I usually do not want to worry about the edges rolling over.

I may look at belt sanders again. I like pulling against it, rather than wondering where it will wander to.
 
I'd be interested in hearing feedback from folks who are using the new EC-TEC sanders in either 5 or 6" incarnations.
 
I'm using an EC 150/5.  It's a perfect step between the powerful gear-driven Rotex 150 and the ETS 150/3.  Perfect for paint grade work, it's wicked powerful without getting beat up - nice and light too.  I'm a strong believer in brushless tools and only see replacing tools that have this technology.  Recently, I milled and installed figured hard maple to patch part of a floor.  Any bigger an area and I would look into renting a dedicated machine, but it gave me an opportunity to use the EC and Rotex side by side on a hard material that shows swirls easily.  The Rotex, gear driven, was still faster, but not if you took into account the breaks from the machine.  My EC is going to get a lot more use!  A couple leftover boards went into a bench and I used the 150/3 to get a better finish than was required for the floor but only on the final grit. 

 
Scott Burt said:
I'd be interested in hearing feedback from folks who are using the new EC-TEC sanders in either 5 or 6" incarnations.

I have been using 2 125/3 ETS EC sanders since November. I have not used my RO 150 since about mid December.
They are the best sanders I have ever used. Easy on the hands, easy one hand sanding, great dust collection. 
 
Thanks for the feedback guys. Great to hear.

I have a mentor coming into my shop monday morning to mess around with sanders and find the right fit. This guy is the best cabinet maker I have ever finished for, and has never had the Ets-Ec pleasure.
 
You worded it very well in you review, something along the lines of, "designed after European pneumatic sanders".

I thought it felt a lot like the Scandinavian one  [wink]

It was really nice. I cannot imagine the starting out with a different FT sander than the ETS EC, unless they were like me and like 1/2 sheets... Or were doing corners.
 
Scott Burt said:
I'd be interested in hearing feedback from folks who are using the new EC-TEC sanders in either 5 or 6" incarnations.
  I love my 150/5mm version. To be able to use it easily one handed on a ceiling while using my other hand to support the dust collection hose and not get tired doing it since the sander is so light , is amazing really.  I still have a very new 150/3 in the older ETS body, so I won't switch it out unless I could justify it on a job, but my 150/5 is my favorite Festool sander.
 
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