ETS EC - Link and questions

[Cheese]

The sanders are not exactly the same.
The shaft on which the pad mounts is different in two ways.
                                1. The 6" is keyed differently and won't accept a 5" pad.
                                2. The length of the shafts  are  different.

The pad of the 6" will fit on the 5" machine, but the length of the shaft for the 5" machine is different as well as the height of the backing plate of the pad itself .  Due to this height difference the pad brake will not engage properly even though the pad brake is the same for each machine.

Brent

That's interesting...seems like Festool entered a race and when they got within 50 feet of the finish line, they decided to quit. [eek]

I'd chalk this one up to missed opportunity.

 

[AlexThePalex]

That's interesting...seems like Festool entered a race and when they got within 50 feet of the finish line, they decided to quit. [eek]

I'd chalk this one up to missed opportunity.

That's a good way to describe this.

I really don't get it, these two sanders were around the same period in development, and nobody of the Festool engineers or marketing department saw the value of interchangeable pads? Even with the Mirka sanders as example?

Extremely odd.

 

[Nippychippy]

If you put the 150 pad on the 125 it can't use the internal brake I tried it at the show to

 

[Brent Shively]

The sanders are not exactly the same.
The shaft on which the pad mounts is different in two ways.
                                1. The 6" is keyed differently and won't accept a 5" pad.
                                2. The length of the shafts  are  different.

The pad of the 6" will fit on the 5" machine, but the length of the shaft for the 5" machine is different as well as the height of the backing plate of the pad itself .  Due to this height difference the pad brake will not engage properly even though the pad brake is the same for each machine.

Brent

That's interesting...seems like Festool entered a race and when they got within 50 feet of the finish line, they decided to quit. [eek]

I'd chalk this one up to missed opportunity.

Festool has always made specific tools for specific applications. We have found that when a company makes a tool that is designed to take the place of several tools some of the performance of the tool is lost.  Other brush less sanders on the market have this capability but there is a lot of fine tuning with spacers to get the sander to still operate properly.

Brent

 

[Steve-Rice]

Shane, Looking at the photo you posted of the ETS EC 125/3 pad, I'm surprised the sander doesn't have the newer multi jet stream base pad I saw in Peter Parfett's video of the ETS EC 150/3.  Is there a difference between the European and US versions?

 

[Shane Holland]

Shane, Looking at the photo you posted of the ETS EC 125/3 pad, I'm surprised the sander doesn't have the newer multi jet stream base pad I saw in Peter Parfett's video of the ETS EC 150/3.  Is there a difference between the European and US versions?

Multi-Jetstream is 6" (150mm) only. The photo I posted was of the ETS EC 125. I did not have a photo of the pad on the 150, but it will be Multi-Jetstream.

 

[Phil Beckley]

Shane, Looking at the photo you posted of the ETS EC 125/3 pad, I'm surprised the sander doesn't have the newer multi jet stream base pad I saw in Peter Parfett's video of the ETS EC 150/3.  Is there a difference between the European and US versions?

Hi
There is no benefit on a smaller diameter pad such as the 125mm of using the Multi Jetstream system. The benefit is gained on 150mm pads. The dust collection on the 125 is excellent
rg
Phil

 

[Steve-Rice]

Thanks, Shane.

Much appreciated,

Steve

 

[Brent Shively]

ETS EC 150/5
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[Scott B.]

So, about the ets125ec.

In my opinion, it shouldn't even share the same model name with the previous ets125.

Could not be more different.

 

[Scott B.]

[member=41214]Phil Beckley[/member] what is the intent of the extraction indicator light?

 

[Cheese]

Festool has always made specific tools for specific applications. We have found that when a company makes a tool that is designed to take the place of several tools some of the performance of the tool is lost. 
Brent

I don't know Brent...that's a hard sell for me. If that's the case, then the RO 90 should be severely flawed because it's trying to perform the job of 3 different sanders rather than only 2 sanders. I own a RO 90 and I haven't found a flaw in it yet.

 

[sae]

the RO 90 should be severely flawed because it's trying to perform the job of 3 different sanders rathen than only 2 sanders. I own a RO 90 and I haven't found a flaw in it yet.

[member=44099]Cheese[/member] Until you do stairs, and can't reach over the tread to finish off the corners of the riser.

 

[Phil Beckley]

[member=41214]Phil Beckley[/member] what is the intent of the extraction indicator light?

Hi
If the light is fully lit up - The hose connected
If the light is flashing - The hose is not connected
The light indicator is also used as a visual when switching between operating modes for the hose.
rg
Phil

The English language Festool T.V version hopefully should be available by Friday this week

 

[Scott B.]

[member=41214]Phil Beckley[/member] what is the intent of the extraction indicator light?

Hi
If the light is fully lit up - The hose connected
If the light is flashing - The hose is not connected
The light indicator is also used as a visual when switching between operating modes for the hose.
rg
Phil

The English language Festool T.V version hopefully should be available by Friday this week

I am not clear on why a light would assist a user on determining whether or not the hose is connected. Had their been issues where users were not sure if their hoses were attached or not?

What are "operating modes for the hose"?

Thanks for your responses...trying to clearly understand the technology.

 

[Scott B.]

I guess to be more specific...unless there is some other utility associated with the feature, wouldn't it be more useful to have an indicator light to confirm for users that the plug it electrical cord is adequately locked into the proper position? I have seen and heard of lots of situations where that faulty connection has fried out the connector, but not so much related to the connection of the extraction hose, which is ribbed and friction fit.

 

[Cheese]

[member=38144]sae[/member]
I'm not following you...sorry, I've been redoing electrical (not my favorite) all day long so my brain's kinda fried. Doesn't the delta extended pad, 496 803, take care of that? [unsure]

 

[Phil Beckley]

[member=41214]Phil Beckley[/member] what is the intent of the extraction indicator light?

Hi
If the light is fully lit up - The hose connected
If the light is flashing - The hose is not connected
The light indicator is also used as a visual when switching between operating modes for the hose.
rg
Phil

The English language Festool T.V version hopefully should be available by Friday this week

I am not clear on why a light would assist a user on determining whether or not the hose is connected. Had their been issues where users were not sure if their hoses were attached or not?

What are "operating modes for the hose"?

Thanks for your responses...trying to clearly understand the technology.

Hi
  Probably my explanation needs some clarity....long day etc.
The sander can be set up to work only with a hose attached. If a user, for example an employee of a company decided to use the ETS EC without a hose then it will not switch on until a hose is connected to the ETS EC - the benefit of course is less dust in the work environment and an extractor has to be used.
  This in part relates to the use of risk assessments in the workplace to control the hazards in a working environment.
The light part is a 'visual' when switching between the settings, there is also a 'beep' to indicate that the speed control wheel can be moved to swap between settings. Workshops as you know are noisy so the light and beep should be enough to indicate that the operating modes can be changed - after six seconds.
rg
Phil

 

[w802h]

This looks like an exciting, light-weight sander.  How have people found it for overhead work compared to an ETS 150 or smaller ETS 125/RTS/DTS body?  Is the balance OK with that tail?  I'm used to palming the knob on top and pushing straight up into the ceiling. This new guy is a lot lower profile.  Thanks for any input.

 

[jjowen]

I think this question is ‘on-topic’: I was thinking of getting an ETS EC, but don’t know which one to get. I have a DTS 400 which I love for small cabinet work; getting into corners etc.

I got a RO 125 for external work; decking, weatherboard, etc. I understand that the RO can do cabinet work too, but I fear the workpiece would be obliterated within 10 seconds. People said I should have gotten an RO 150 instead, but I felt it was just to much to handle (Bryan at JT says I am not manly enough, which is probably true).

So my dilemma is, do I get an ETS EC 125 and share 125mm abrasives between tools, or do I go for an ETS EC 150 and maintain another set of abrasives? 

Then the question is /3 or /5. Does the stroke only affect the rate of removal, or does it, along with the grit, determine the finish?

Or should I just man-up and learn to handle my RO 125 for larger cabinetry jobs?