Ocram
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After a cheap TS55 Rival here is an expensive MFT/CMS copy. It is made by Wolfcraft same birth land as Festool. Cost 449 euro.
What is next?
MasterCut 2000 WMV
Expensive MFT copy
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After a cheap TS55 Rival here is an expensive MFT/CMS copy. It is made by Wolfcraft same birth land as Festool. Cost 449 euro.
What is next?
MasterCut 2000 WMV
Theshipstore
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Well hello Festool, why can't we have something like this. I like the cross bracing built to the table a feature I wish Festool would consider that from the start, not as a add on.
It has some great features for sure, but it a pipe dream in NAINA Land...
Sal
It has some great features for sure, but it a pipe dream in NAINA Land...
Sal
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See how those legs get locks in by a simple cam lock?That's what i want on my MFT!!!!
i dont get why you say expensive , its 200 euro cheaper than the festool one.
there are some nice ideas in that table. i like the flip up saw , you could easily swap from the track saw to the table saw in seconds. those clamps look good.
festool should look at this for ideas for their next mft
there are some nice ideas in that table. i like the flip up saw , you could easily swap from the track saw to the table saw in seconds. those clamps look good.
festool should look at this for ideas for their next mft
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the video even has a Festool-esque soundtrack.
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I wouldn't call this expensive considering what this can do. Track saw and table saw + router + jigsaw insert.
But remember, this is hobbyist grade material. When I was 20 I bought some Wolfcraft items and I liked them, until I got to a point where I didn't liked them anymore because I realised they were to flimsy and inaccurate. So I evolved and went on to the real deal.
I must say that Wolfcraft have a knack for handy solutions and an innovative way of thinking, it is only a shame they never chose to make professional quality products next to their budget line.
But remember, this is hobbyist grade material. When I was 20 I bought some Wolfcraft items and I liked them, until I got to a point where I didn't liked them anymore because I realised they were to flimsy and inaccurate. So I evolved and went on to the real deal.
I must say that Wolfcraft have a knack for handy solutions and an innovative way of thinking, it is only a shame they never chose to make professional quality products next to their budget line.
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Skil had an x-bench that looked just like it.
Looks like a Rousseau bench too.
Looks like a Rousseau bench too.
Ocram
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I admit it is not expensive considering what you will get for 449. But I labeled it expensive because I have the same experience as Alex.
Wolfcraft looks great and it works, but it don't works as great as it looks. You can use it with different power tools brands. Almost every circular saw wil fit in and to line it up with measurement on the table cost a lot of time and frustration every time you switch a tool in the unit Jigsaw, circularsaw or router.
I like woodworking as a hobby, but accuracy and durability made me switch to Festool. ;D
Wolfcraft looks great and it works, but it don't works as great as it looks. You can use it with different power tools brands. Almost every circular saw wil fit in and to line it up with measurement on the table cost a lot of time and frustration every time you switch a tool in the unit Jigsaw, circularsaw or router.
I like woodworking as a hobby, but accuracy and durability made me switch to Festool. ;D
Well well well..!
I have the same experience as Alex and Ocram. In my pre-festoolian era my sweet wife gave me a Wolfcraft Mastercut 1000 as christmas present and that was certainly a piece of junk. Flimsy and inaccurate. I used it for a couple of years until I was struck by the green fever and converted to CMS. (By the way! Why aren't there any festool green smileys here?)
But I won't judge the Mastercut 2000 by watching a video. It looks like they have made lots of improvements with this model. Hey...maybe they even made it sturdy!?
A cheap copy af MFT? Well it looks that way! But for hobbyists with non Festool router, circ. saw etc. the Mastercut looks like a nice versatile alternative to the CMS.
I have the same experience as Alex and Ocram. In my pre-festoolian era my sweet wife gave me a Wolfcraft Mastercut 1000 as christmas present and that was certainly a piece of junk. Flimsy and inaccurate. I used it for a couple of years until I was struck by the green fever and converted to CMS. (By the way! Why aren't there any festool green smileys here?)
But I won't judge the Mastercut 2000 by watching a video. It looks like they have made lots of improvements with this model. Hey...maybe they even made it sturdy!?
A cheap copy af MFT? Well it looks that way! But for hobbyists with non Festool router, circ. saw etc. the Mastercut looks like a nice versatile alternative to the CMS.
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Not all wolfcraft stuff is DIY quality. I have a fold up wolfcraft trolley which is very well made and easily strong enough for pro use.
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joiner1970 said:
I have bought that cart too, if it's the TS 800 you mean. I returned it after a couple of days. Really hated the wheels, which are made of hard plastic. You hear and feel every bump you go over, I didn't find it comfortable. I agree that it is a pretty sturdy cart, just a shame they goofed up with the wheels. I bought a Ruxxac Business XL cart the next day, that thing was just 18 euro more expensive (99 vs 117) but it was a lot better. The Wolfcraft is rated at 90 kg, the Ruxxac at 125. It was generally built a lot sturdier. But most important of all, the Ruxxac has soft rubbery wheels, a lot better to cart around. What I did like about the Wolfcraft is the bar that locks the wheels in place, that's was a really nice feature giving it great strength, I wish my Ruxxac had that also.
I agree Wolfcraft stuff can be used by professionals, but only up to a certain point. I have seen contractors here who used Wolfcraft stuff, mainly because it's cheap and they dare to leave it on site because it's not such a big loss when it gets stolen, compared to more expensive tools.
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Mine has rubber tyres
I've got the Wolfcraft MasterCut 1000 table (http://www.wolfcraft.de/jcatalog_generated/en/products/product_groups/14750_product.html) which looks good in the store and has sort of the same ideas as the 2000 but is a big piece of wobbly crud when you try to do anything that involves pushing, pulling, hammering, etc. i.e. any real work.
The worst thing of these general purpose machine tables is the connection of the circular/jig saw or router to the table. They just will not be accurate in any which way. I haven't been able to tighten the circular saw to the table to make a single straight cut longer than 20cm before it moves sideways. Another point to notice is the lack of a router lift so it'll be very inconvenient to use in real life. They always make the promo videos look good and effortless, but real life couldn't be further away. Also their guides look good in pictures, but are very inaccurate pile of you-know-what when you try to slide them in the runners, keep them locked to an angle or insert them into the side aluminium bars.
What I'd hope Festool would pick from this would be the CMS baseplate location integrated into the table instead of separate CMS-addons and the dual usage of the saw connected to the plate. To work properly the TS saw would need to have lockable plunge depth with a quick release as well as a fine screw lift mechanism to be able to use it as a fine adjustable table saw (with screw mechanism engaged), normal plunge saw (with quick release/screw mechanism override) and a fixed circular saw (blade locked fully down) in one machine. That would be a win in my books.
Maybe come up with a slightly longer MFT table than the current MFT/3 with a narrower CMS-insert not to lose out on all holes of the other end of the table top or come up with an MFT-holed-tabletop-insert for the table when not using powertools on it to turn it into a "normal" MFT top.
The worst thing of these general purpose machine tables is the connection of the circular/jig saw or router to the table. They just will not be accurate in any which way. I haven't been able to tighten the circular saw to the table to make a single straight cut longer than 20cm before it moves sideways. Another point to notice is the lack of a router lift so it'll be very inconvenient to use in real life. They always make the promo videos look good and effortless, but real life couldn't be further away. Also their guides look good in pictures, but are very inaccurate pile of you-know-what when you try to slide them in the runners, keep them locked to an angle or insert them into the side aluminium bars.
What I'd hope Festool would pick from this would be the CMS baseplate location integrated into the table instead of separate CMS-addons and the dual usage of the saw connected to the plate. To work properly the TS saw would need to have lockable plunge depth with a quick release as well as a fine screw lift mechanism to be able to use it as a fine adjustable table saw (with screw mechanism engaged), normal plunge saw (with quick release/screw mechanism override) and a fixed circular saw (blade locked fully down) in one machine. That would be a win in my books.
Maybe come up with a slightly longer MFT table than the current MFT/3 with a narrower CMS-insert not to lose out on all holes of the other end of the table top or come up with an MFT-holed-tabletop-insert for the table when not using powertools on it to turn it into a "normal" MFT top.
Junk! Did you see the amount of sawdust going up from the cuts!... This is just the German version of late night TV paid for broadcast ads for junk product.
Hey we all joke that Festool is expensive. The fact is it works and does everything promised...
Festool for Ever
Cheers,
Steve
Hey we all joke that Festool is expensive. The fact is it works and does everything promised...
Festool for Ever
Cheers,
Steve
