Feedback on Harvey G700 owners

[jgt1942nc]

I making some dust with it for 2 weeks or so. 4 bins of dust for now...

Had a small problem with bolts & nuts for the wheels fall off! Was pain to screw them back on, check them and tighten them as needed. Also if you are using Nordfab, 6" Machine adapter (3249-0600-100000), G700 inlet is too big for it to work.I will be playing with workarounds, Nordfab adj nipple 6" (3202-0600-100000) fits nicely, may cut that. Will know more if I can get it going this weekend.

Reported what I mentioned to info AT harveywoodworking.com, looks like currently answers are coming from China and communication is a problem. When I have time and collect some more data I may try the phone # and talk to someone in US.

Overall I am happy with it, I do have some concerns on ability to capture all dust on low speed(low noise). I found more dust on my filters than I would expect to find with 4 bin worth of dust.

I will be doing some db test and check the air quality coming from filters. Will also planing to start running full speed to identify if dust showing up on filters related to me running it slow speed.

Also, Jason Bents,  Bent's woodworking have installed it recently in his new shop. There are some videos on youtube and instagram. Probably we will learn more from Jason, his initial setup he was happy with the performance of unit.Not sure any of us have enough run-time to make any conclusion other than so far good.

Ref the Norfab fitting. I have been successful with PVC and a heat gun. If you have access to a lathe, turn a round cylinder, about 6-10" long, the diameter of the G700 fitting. Taper one end to the dia of the Norfab fitting.
Use the heat gun to heat the Norfab fitting, rotating it to heat all sides the same amount, e.g. constantly rotating the fitting.
After a few minutes, test to see if you have applied enough heat by pushing the small end of the cylinder into the Norfab fitting. If you have applied enough heat then it should easily expand and should expand evenly. Slide the cylinder in enough to resize about 3" or so.
The heat gun I have is a dual heat (low & high), I use the high setting and was purchased from Ace.

I just Googled your fitting and see that it is stainless steel. Thus it will be necessary for you to pick up a 6" PVC coupling or short piece of 6" pipe and resize it for the G700 on one end and the Norfab on the other end.

When resizing PVC to a larger dia it is reasonably easy. If you need to make the PVC smaller it is possible but more of a challange.

 

[butzla]

With all the assembly and performance issues you've had, sounds like there are better and cheaper options out there.  Thanks for posting.

 

[Banana]

Regarding moving machine from pallet to floor,

What am I missing here.. when you raise threaded feet out of the way (while still on pallet) isn't the machine now resting on wheels?
If so wouldn't making an 8ft ramp out of some scrap ply & wood, connected to end of pallet, suffice to roll machine off onto floor?
...and straight through garage door out into the street...

 

[hccuneyt]

Quick update for my limited experience (6 bin of dust):
- Nordfab adj nipple 6" (3202-0600-100000), cut with jigsaw and fitted almost perfectly with rubber seal.
- dB reading low speed(40Hz): 69-70dB high speed (74Hz) 84dB. Need to tighten the back panel as it was rattling initially.
- Temp setup with Nordfab parts, getting consistent suction, my calc probably 700+CFM range
- Filter cleaning easy. Only comment I will make now (with my limited use) is that filter cleaning will need to be done more often. I started to build a habit of every time I empty bin...
- As imagined moving from 4" to 6" made a huge difference on performance of dust collection for me. Not having prior direct experience, all I can say is I am happy with the performance.

My next project I will need to mill 100bf or so, I will do filter/particle test then if time allows and share my data.

 

[hccuneyt]

Regarding moving machine from pallet to floor,

What am I missing here.. when you raise threaded feet out of the way (while still on pallet) isn't the machine now resting on wheels?
If so wouldn't making an 8ft ramp out of some scrap ply & wood, connected to end of pallet, suffice to roll machine off onto floor?
...and straight through garage door out into the street...

There is additional ply wood under, 3"width, 2 rows 6"-8" apart long way. So you have to lift the unit to the ramp or cut the the pieces and roll...

 

[hccuneyt]

I making some dust with it for 2 weeks or so. 4 bins of dust for now...

Had a small problem with bolts & nuts for the wheels fall off! Was pain to screw them back on, check them and tighten them as needed. Also if you are using Nordfab, 6" Machine adapter (3249-0600-100000), G700 inlet is too big for it to work.I will be playing with workarounds, Nordfab adj nipple 6" (3202-0600-100000) fits nicely, may cut that. Will know more if I can get it going this weekend.

Reported what I mentioned to info AT harveywoodworking.com, looks like currently answers are coming from China and communication is a problem. When I have time and collect some more data I may try the phone # and talk to someone in US.

Overall I am happy with it, I do have some concerns on ability to capture all dust on low speed(low noise). I found more dust on my filters than I would expect to find with 4 bin worth of dust.

I will be doing some db test and check the air quality coming from filters. Will also planing to start running full speed to identify if dust showing up on filters related to me running it slow speed.

Also, Jason Bents,  Bent's woodworking have installed it recently in his new shop. There are some videos on youtube and instagram. Probably we will learn more from Jason, his initial setup he was happy with the performance of unit.Not sure any of us have enough run-time to make any conclusion other than so far good.

Ref the Norfab fitting. I have been successful with PVC and a heat gun. If you have access to a lathe, turn a round cylinder, about 6-10" long, the diameter of the G700 fitting. Taper one end to the dia of the Norfab fitting.
Use the heat gun to heat the Norfab fitting, rotating it to heat all sides the same amount, e.g. constantly rotating the fitting.
After a few minutes, test to see if you have applied enough heat by pushing the small end of the cylinder into the Norfab fitting. If you have applied enough heat then it should easily expand and should expand evenly. Slide the cylinder in enough to resize about 3" or so.
The heat gun I have is a dual heat (low & high), I use the high setting and was purchased from Ace.

I just Googled your fitting and see that it is stainless steel. Thus it will be necessary for you to pick up a 6" PVC coupling or short piece of 6" pipe and resize it for the G700 on one end and the Norfab on the other end.

When resizing PVC to a larger dia it is reasonably easy. If you need to make the PVC smaller it is possible but more of a challange.

Good ideas, thank you for sharing. I wanted to keep the metal path all the way to manage the static electricity. When I opened up the unit and look around inside, it is definetly good job/ design on managing static electricity. My opinion was that to carry that forward with metal piping, avoid PVC if I can.

 

[jgt1942nc]

MaymunBaba - I agree, staying with metal pipe is the best option but it is also the most expensive. For a few months, I will have to get by with 4" flex that I purchased from Rockler. Air Handling (seehttps://airhand.com/) has metal pipe as well as flex. I've been told that they have the best price but I'm not sure at this time. In the flex pipe, this is recommended by Harvey >https://airhand.com/product/hobby-shop-flexible-hose-u15/, it comes in either 12 1/5' or 25'. They also have a light gauge metal pipe that is also recommended by Harvey, seehttps://airhand.com/product-categor...e-solution-for-spiral-pipe-fittings-and-hose/

I'm leaning toward the metal as well but it will be a few months before I do something. I need to finalize the shop setup and I have a few other higher priority projects.

I also need to determine which machines will be connected to the G700 and which will use shopvacs with a Thien Baffle. I've decided to connect my bandsaw to a shopvac, see my post athttps://www.lumberjocks.com/topics/309954#reply-5303735 After making the adapter I'm SUPER pleased with the dust collection on the bandsaw.

 

[jgt1942nc]

Regarding moving machine from pallet to floor,

What am I missing here.. when you raise threaded feet out of the way (while still on pallet) isn't the machine now resting on wheels?
If so wouldn't making an 8ft ramp out of some scrap ply & wood, connected to end of pallet, suffice to roll machine off onto floor?
...and straight through garage door out into the street...

I'm not sure if you meant this for me but..... I did raise the threaded feet out of the way. I don't recall if I had already removed the two long blocks that the G700 was bolted to or I did it at this time. Once they were removed and the threaded feet were out of the way the  G700 was setting on the shipping pallet.
I positioned the G700 near one end of the pallet, from the other end I then removed the blocks between the top and bottom of the pallet at that end. Now only the pallet center and other end blocks remained.
I then removed sections of the 3" wide strips that were part of the pallet and on the floor.
I now pushed the G700 toward the end of the pallet where the blocks had been removed. Because the pallet was made from VERY low-grade plywood it easily flexed toward the floor until it rested on the floor.
I continued to push the G700 forward off of the pallet. At one point the G700 did bind on the pallet but it was easy to continue pushing the G700 off.
As the G700 wheels rolled off of the pallet base plywood they did have a 3/4" drop but this did not introduce any problems.
The G700 was now off the pallet.

 

[mrt076]

Thank you for starting this thread.  I too am contemplating the G700 at this price, now.  Can anyone tell me if I don’t consider noise as a factor, am I better off to spend a couple hundred more and go with the Oneida V System 3000, 3hp cyclone?  In currently have a 2hp Grizzly and the performance with an aftermarket Wynn Hepa filter isn’t good enough for me and wondering if 2hp on the G700 won’t be that much of improvement.  I also need enough airflow for a 15” stationary planer, 8” jointer, and 3hp Sawstop PCS.

The other thing I am suspicious of is Harvey won’t address my question when I asked for a fan curve and how they based there CFM measurements.  The responses/communication from Harvey has been only from China and their US office won’t answer the phone or respond to emails...

 

[ChuckM]

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The other thing I am suspicious of is Harvey won’t address my question when I asked for a fan curve and how they based there CFM measurements.  The responses/communication from Harvey has been only from China and their US office won’t answer the phone or respond to emails...

On this point alone, I'd go with the Oneida which is based in the same country you're in, and unless contradicted otherwise, it should provide better customer service in case something goes wrong. I'd also go with the 3HP cyclone.

 

[jgt1942nc]

mrt076 I just measured the noise level with an app on my Android phone placed 4' from the G700 and on the floor. At the lowest setting (40) I measured around 61 db, at the highest setting (75) I measured 74 db.
So far I've had a reasonable response from either Harvey or the rep I went through.

If you decide to go with another unit I'd suggest the CV1800 with the 16" blower upgrade. The only downside is the .5 micron seehttps://www.clearvuecyclones.com/cyclone-bundles/66-cv1800-lh-1p-cyclone-bundle-with-filters.html This upgrade increases the CFM from 1,442 to 1,701.

Another option that I'm seriously considering is multiple smaller units like the Dust Right Wall-Mount Dust Collector, 650 CFM (seehttps://www.rockler.com/dust-right-reg-wall-mount-dust-collector-650-cfm but this means that I need to build a Thien Top Hat for each unit and order a Wynn filter for each. This route will cost almost as much by the time I'd get everything. Another option is to look for super deals on 2HP units.

One of the woodworkers at Lumberjocks modified a chart with the G700 curve, seehttps://www.lumberjocks.com/topics/309471 Ops I stand corrected, it does NOT have the G700.

So far the G700 is meeting my needs, I'm in the early stage of setting up my shop and it will be a few months before I finish. I'm old and super slow.

 

[hccuneyt]

I had no luck with communicating with anyone from Harvey woodworking in US via email(info@harveywoodworking.com). Looks like all these emails going to China and communication is problem.

Harveywoodworking will have a hard time promoting and selling this unit as I do not believe they understand how US market operates and user needs are. Real test will be when servicing is needed.

I recall a 1-800 inside unit, did not tried that # as I had no use for it.

I did order extra set of bag in May from Rockler, and I received it after 6 weeks or so as it dropped shipped from California. I can only guess US operations are in the bunker due to virus.

Currently as of me typing this email price dropped to $2190. I also think 15% discount may work "BENTS15" at checkout.
You can also watch the the bentswoodworking video youtube - bents video This will give you an idea as he has full setup including large CNC.
Best to my knowledge he has contacts with US team of Harveywoodworking, and sponsored by them.
In addition, I know Jason did use the forums in past and Festool fan, if he is around he may have more information. You can always DM him instagram.

I am not sponsored or have any relationship with this company.For now, I am happy with the unit (12 bins of dust to-date),minor issues mentioned prior posts. Lower dB levels and ample power (this is my first 6", I may be wrong). I also like the physical shape as it works better for me. Smaller bin, 32-35 gallon, might be issue for some. I can work with it as for me it easier to empty.

I need to take some vacation time, I will try to get the 4" rockler hose setup to see what kind of performance I can get and share non-scientific data. I still need to test/confirm the partial level coming out of the air-filters with Dylos.

 

[jgt1942nc]

Harvey contacts
Hung Mguyen in CA to my knowledge should be answering the info email. Try calling him at (909) 524-9820
Another Harvey contact is Curt Corum (curtlcorum@gmail.com) (475) 355-5345 he is the National Sales Manager
The China guy is Baron Sun (baron@harveymachinery.com), he was always good to answer my emails and supply info.
You can also contact Stuart Kent (ncfurnitureschool@gmail.com) (252) 916-8226

 

[kmarchell]

MaymunBaba,
Were you ever able to get a particle level test from Dylos?  I'm really interested in getting a G700 but would like to know how it performs in a small shop especially with higher dust machines (table saw, planer, drum sander...) with regards to dust collection and air quality in the shop. Also see you are in Houston, I'm in Spring (north Houston area) but will hopefully be relocating to Boerne (west of San Antonio) in the next year or so. Thanks for your help!

 

[hccuneyt]

Sorry for the late update, Houston weather got to me, finally got MrCool unit, and now happy person in my garage.

For the people DM, and asking me, yes I am extremely happy with the unit.

Dylos controlled test result were better than I expected, HEPA filter (0.3micron) working as far as I can tell. I used the Dylos 1100-pro, lay it 8-10 inches away from the filters on the side of the unit. Readings were 330/16, started the unit, full power, readings 42/2!
I did my best to control the environment, garage was unoccupied at least 2+ hrs.

I uploaded a video, i can never inlcude these link correctly here, let me try...
Dylos+G700

Any questions let me know. [member=73805]kmarchell[/member] yes I am also in Spring area! May be we bump each other in Rockler-SPring/Woodcraft North!. I have used with SawStop JSS Tabelsaw, DW735 planer, Rikon 10-326 band saw, and Jet JBOS sander. I do not have drum sander.

 

[kmarchell]

MaymunBaba,

Thanks for the Dylos test.  If you get a chance some time it would be great to see the Dylos data while you are actively using your tablesaw and / or planer to see how the G700 is doing while a lot of dust generation is occurring.

Great that you are also in Spring - I do spend a lot of time and $ in both of those stores and will miss having them so close when I move to Boerne (Woodcraft store ~45 min away in San Antonio and closest Rockler store in Austin).  Guess my wife will be happy though  [smile].

Thanks again for all the info you have been posting on the G700.

 

[mkasdin]

Thank you for starting this thread.  I too am contemplating the G700 at this price, now.  Can anyone tell me if I don’t consider noise as a factor, am I better off to spend a couple hundred more and go with the Oneida V System 3000, 3hp cyclone?  In currently have a 2hp Grizzly and the performance with an aftermarket Wynn Hepa filter isn’t good enough for me and wondering if 2hp on the G700 won’t be that much of improvement.  I also need enough airflow for a 15” stationary planer, 8” jointer, and 3hp Sawstop PCS.

The other thing I am suspicious of is Harvey won’t address my question when I asked for a fan curve and how they based there CFM measurements.  The responses/communication from Harvey has been only from China and their US office won’t answer the phone or respond to emails...

they have an office in Los Angeles, I think they are in Montclair, California off the 210 fwy. I think that is how a lot of Chinese companies handle warranty questions and the like, they ignore owners when they have a problem or just never pickup the phone . For the few hundred dollars go with an American Company... Oneida is suppose to be first class. You can call them and they will help design your DC. I’m on a budget, I just bought a 2 pony power Chinese Freight dust collector. I’m landing on upgrading for $28 to the 2 micron dust bag. My previous dust collector was working outside and watching the sawdust blow into the neighbors kitchen window...

 

[kono0014]

With some deals surely coming up I am considering the G700.  It is $2290 with a coupon right now but I am sure it will get a little better.  I saw it for $2190 in October.  Any other new owners since this thread started?  My main concern is the longevity of the design and support/parts availability.  Oneida is a well established company that will likely support their machines for many years after you buy them but I am trying to find something that is quieter as I have a basement shop.  The V-System is intriguing at 74 dBA but the G700 is even quieter.

 

[nclemmons]

I have seen it as low as maybe 1950.  You might give them a call and see if they will match that earlier low price from the summer.  They certainly have become very promotional in their marketing, so I bet they might be willing to cut a deal if you call them. 

 

[memilanuk]

Any ideas on why retailers persist in listing these at such high prices? Woodcraft still shows it at over $4k.

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