Festool Abrasives Details

[AlexThePalex]

Does anyone know why the titan range is largely limited to the rotary range.

When sanding latex mdf primer I often have to resort to using the 150mm disks on, for eg, my dts400, punching dust holes as necessary.

Although the paper eventually clogs it lasts much longer than the corresponding brilliant paper.

Because Titan is mainly developed for the automotive industry and rotary sanders rule the automotive industry.

 

[ccarrolladams]

Although on other forums we have discussed the new Granat abrasives, it was not clear if this product would replace Brilliant 2 and Rubin for sanding wood products prior to application of finishing materials.

Just a few minutes ago I received the current SysNotes as e-mail. Scrolling down the page, passed the glowing discussion of the RO 90 DX, there is a chart showing all the Festool abrasives.

I find what this says about Granat fascinating:

"Granat
A premium abrasive composed of hardened Aluminum Oxide and Ceramic Grit for scratch resistant coatings and high VOC coatings."

Nowhere does that chart mention the use of Granat on bare wood.

Could members who have been using Granat provide some more information and experiences? 

 

[davee]

Although on other forums we have discussed the new Granat abrasives, it was not clear if this product would replace Brilliant 2 and Rubin for sanding wood products prior to application of finishing materials.

Just a few minutes ago I received the current SysNotes as e-mail. Scrolling down the page, passed the glowing discussion of the RO 90 DX, there is a chart showing all the Festool abrasives.

I find what this says about Granat fascinating:

"Granat
A premium abrasive composed of hardened Aluminum Oxide and Ceramic Grit for scratch resistant coatings and high VOC coatings."

Nowhere does that chart mention the use of Granat on bare wood.

Could members who have been using Granat provide some more information and experiences? 

At the Advanced Router training in Lebanon last week we were told that Granat was a viable option for bare wood.  We were given a couple of sample sheets, and with a sample size of one it was pretty impressive.  I used it for quite a while without noticing degradation.  In switching to sanding an edge, it caught and tore.  The paper backing is definitely not as robust as Rubin.  I plan to purchase Granat.

 

[fritter63]

After a successful week of eBaying unused tools, I'm heading down to pick up my RO 90 later today.

From what I gather, the abrasives systainer is only available empty, right? Any word on the package
that Shane was trying to put together?

 

[Brice Burrell]

After a successful week of eBaying unused tools, I'm heading down to pick up my RO 90 later today.

From what I gather, the abrasives systainer is only available empty, right? Any word on the package
that Shane was trying to put together?

Yes the abrasive Systainer is empty.  The package Festool wanted to put together didn't happen as hoped and isn't going to be available in the immediate future. 

 

[Timtool]

i have the ETS 150/5 that came with an assortment of different sheets, and when i look at the print on the rubin paper from the box i bought, and the print on the rubin paper that came with the sander, they have a different code printed on them.
both say festool rubin p120 and then a code; the code is different on both, and the grit surface also looks different.
one looks shiney, the other one looks dull.
can't remember the codes, but i can look it up if neccesary.
anybody know what this means?

 

[Administrator_JSVN]

Just adding a new abrasives poster (PDF) that was designed to simplify the abrasives line. It also includes a brief overview of the various types of pads and their uses.

The image is just a preview, download the attached PDF.

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[semenza]

i have the ETS 150/5 that came with an assortment of different sheets, and when i look at the print on the rubin paper from the box i bought, and the print on the rubin paper that came with the sander, they have a different code printed on them.
both say festool rubin p120 and then a code; the code is different on both, and the grit surface also looks different.
one looks shiney, the other one looks dull.
can't remember the codes, but i can look it up if neccesary.
anybody know what this means?

I have noticed this also. I don't know what the difference is except for the surface sheen of the abrasive.

Seth

 

[VictorL]

Just adding a new abrasives poster (PDF) that was designed to simplify the abrasives line. It also includes a brief overview of the various types of pads and their uses.

The image is just a preview, download the attached PDF.

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Does Festool drop Rubin for RAS-115? It's grayed out.

Thanks,
VictorL

 

[Administrator_JSVN]

Does Festool drop Rubin for RAS-115? It's grayed out.

Oops, looks like I had a pre-finalized version. That had been corrected. I'll update my poster with the latest version. Thanks for the heads up, Victor.

 

[Litch]

Just adding a new abrasives poster (PDF) that was designed to simplify the abrasives line. It also includes a brief overview of the various types of pads and their uses.

The image is just a preview, download the attached PDF.

[attachimg=#1]

Shane when will these new abrasives be available? They are not showing up on the Festool website yet

 

[dovedec]

Hi i'm new to the forum.  Very informative re the abrasives

 

[gjh119]

Thanks for posting the booklet.

I'm interested in purchasing the Rotex90. What do you guys recommend for sanding poplar stiles/rails with mdf panels.
Cabinets are also poplar. All new bare wood.
Thanks for the help

 

[semenza]

Thanks for posting the booklet.

I'm interested in purchasing the Rotex90. What do you guys recommend for sanding poplar stiles/rails with mdf panels.
Cabinets are also poplar. All new bare wood.
Thanks for the help

I generally use Rubin 100 , 150, then switch to Brilliant  for 180, 220.  Brilliant 320 or 400 between coats of finish.  Cristal would be OK too but is pretty aggresive for poplar and MDF.  However the new Granat looks promising but I have only tried  it in 120 once so far.  It seemed very good.

Seth

 

[NoBreyner]

I've only truly used my Ro90 for the first time this morning. I needed a 1/4" off a piece of 4" x 36" pine, and resawn that piece by running half the board on edge on a table saw then flipping end for end to free the piece I needed.  I left the rest of the board alone for a long while.  I'm setting up a french cleat wall storage and needed to make hangers for various tools around the garage.  I took the scrap pine and while strictly using the granat disks that came with my Ro90 took the 40 grit on rotex mode to remove the many tooth marks and the one very noticeable ridge on the cut face of the board.  The ridge and tooth marks were all removed using the included 40 grit disk within five minutes.  I switched over to random orbital to finish it off and it is ready for use.

Side note:  The 1/4" piece I resawn from the 3/4" board also had ridges and a lot of tooth marks.  I cleaned the sawn face by using a block plane for 20+ minutes.  I am very thankful for the Ro90 and the time it will save me in the long run. 

 

[Ken Nagrod]

I've only truly used my Ro90 for the first time this morning. I needed a 1/4" off a piece of 4" x 36" pine, and resawn that piece by running half the board on edge on a table saw then flipping end for end to free the piece I needed.  I left the rest of the board alone for a long while.  I'm setting up a french cleat wall storage and needed to make hangers for various tools around the garage.  I took the scrap pine and while strictly using the granat disks that came with my Ro90 took the 40 grit on rotex mode to remove the many tooth marks and the one very noticeable ridge on the cut face of the board.  The ridge and tooth marks were all removed using the included 40 grit disk within five minutes.  I switched over to random orbital to finish it off and it is ready for use.

Side note:  The 1/4" piece I resawn from the 3/4" board also had ridges and a lot of tooth marks.  I cleaned the sawn face by using a block plane for 20+ minutes.  I am very thankful for the Ro90 and the time it will save me in the long run.  

What kind of saw and blade are you using that you're getting this?  Have you aligned the saw, rip fence and blade, assuming it allows for adjustments?

 

[NoBreyner]

I've only truly used my Ro90 for the first time this morning. I needed a 1/4" off a piece of 4" x 36" pine, and resawn that piece by running half the board on edge on a table saw then flipping end for end to free the piece I needed.  I left the rest of the board alone for a long while.  I'm setting up a french cleat wall storage and needed to make hangers for various tools around the garage.  I took the scrap pine and while strictly using the granat disks that came with my Ro90 took the 40 grit on rotex mode to remove the many tooth marks and the one very noticeable ridge on the cut face of the board.  The ridge and tooth marks were all removed using the included 40 grit disk within five minutes.  I switched over to random orbital to finish it off and it is ready for use.

Side note:  The 1/4" piece I resawn from the 3/4" board also had ridges and a lot of tooth marks.  I cleaned the sawn face by using a block plane for 20+ minutes.  I am very thankful for the Ro90 and the time it will save me in the long run.  

What kind of saw and blade are you using that you're getting this?  Have you aligned the saw, rip fence and blade, assuming it allows for adjustments?

The table saw is a Ryobi BTS16.  I changed out the stock blade with a Diablo 10 in. x 40 Tooth Carbide Circular Saw Blade number D1040.  I do have a dial indicator, but I really need to get a stable base for it as the one I made rocked a little in both directions which probably made the problem worse.  I will realign everything this weekend with a proper base so there is absolutely NO wiggle.

 

[Scott B.]

For those of you who do finishes, we have been using the new Festool Granat abrasives on all of our sanders, as well as the soft hand sanding pads, for both material removal and building of new finishes. It is very good.

 

[USNavyChiefRet]

I'm looking for Platin 2000-4000 grit. I saw a video where they guy demoing the RO125 said he used one of these grits on his bandsaw table and it made it shine like a mirror. Is that true? and if so where can I can these without having to purchase the entire pack? I have a Jet 14" DXPRO bandsaw, 10" ProShop table saw, and long bed jointer that I want to try this on. I don't want to scratch the faces of these all up. I have a Festool ETS 125 RO sander and it is great. It came with a 2000 grit pad but I think that's a little too much maybe 3000-4000 grit would work better. I also have the Festool DX 93 detail sander and it did a fantastic job on my bathroom cabinets, getting into hard to sand areas the ETS 125 couldn't. I also purchased the TS-55 saw and have used it some and it makes a really great cut on oak veneer plywood. I was really impressed.  I have a lot of abrasives for the ETS 125 and DX 93 (80-320 grit) but would love to get some of the really fine (2000-4000). Anybody got an idea?

 

[gkeas]

I'm looking for Platin 2000-4000 grit. I saw a video where they guy demoing the RO125 said he used one of these grits on his bandsaw table and it made it shine like a mirror. Is that true? and if so where can I can these without having to purchase the entire pack? I have a Jet 14" DXPRO bandsaw, 10" ProShop table saw, and long bed jointer that I want to try this on. I don't want to scratch the faces of these all up. I have a Festool ETS 125 RO sander and it is great. It came with a 2000 grit pad but I think that's a little too much maybe 3000-4000 grit would work better. I also have the Festool DX 93 detail sander and it did a fantastic job on my bathroom cabinets, getting into hard to sand areas the ETS 125 couldn't. I also purchased the TS-55 saw and have used it some and it makes a really great cut on oak veneer plywood. I was really impressed.  I have a lot of abrasives for the ETS 125 and DX 93 (80-320 grit) but would love to get some of the really fine (2000-4000). Anybody got an idea?

Chief, first, let me thank you for your longevity in service of our country!  Next, I'm not sure if he still does it, but Bob Marino ( www.bobmarinosbestttools.com ) used to be willing to sell abrasives in packs of 5 instead of 50 (he'd break up a 50 pack and sell it for .1x).  you might check with him.