Festool Bluetooth Adapter - working with old Minis

Francis_Beland said:
That's really interesting since I got my new TSC-55 and it starts to annoy me with my CT-22. Do you think it could be possible to pair the bluetooth batteries with this system?

Probably. But I don't have any Festool battery operated gear (nor do I really foresee owning any)--so it would be hard for me to test that. I live in the DC metro area though, so if someone wanted to let me borrow something--I could see if it is possible.

[member=25288]yasapl[/member]: Thanks for working with me. I really like your load idea. And I'm thinking about doing that. I also love EEVBlog. You seem to be better on the EE side of things. Question for you: can you do pass through on the auto port? And if so, what happens if you apply the capacitor as a load, and then try to run a power tool off the plug, could it damage anything?
 
[member=77192]ntlord[/member] thanks again for all your help! I’m not an expert, just learnt from that blog but there is no issue with your idea. Actually I have connected a multi socket adapter to ctl and have both the “remote” and the other tools connected at the same time. I have also tried to run both at the same time and had no issues, especially that the cap only draws 11W.
 
Francis_Beland said:
That's really interesting since I got my new TSC-55 and it starts to annoy me with my CT-22. Do you think it could be possible to pair the bluetooth batteries with this system?

Maybe just give it a try. All you need is an M5Stack Atom module and the binary from my post.
 
Thank you. Just ordered the module . Going to try it with my flex vce vacuum

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yasapl said:
Francis_Beland said:
That's really interesting since I got my new TSC-55 and it starts to annoy me with my CT-22. Do you think it could be possible to pair the bluetooth batteries with this system?

Maybe just give it a try. All you need is an M5Stack Atom module and the binary from my post.

I will do it. I just ordered one and I'll document if it works.
 
Thank you [member=77192]ntlord[/member] and [member=25288]yasapl[/member] I'm up and running.


used ESP flasher that yasapl linked to and worked great.  took about 5 minutes.  Took me longer to find festool remote in stock and order it lol. 

I used mod2 binary (works with M5Stack socket module, g23 default LOW, g33 default HIGH): Github binary G23 LOW, G33 HIGH to flash. 
Not really sure what the mods do but I flashed that one by accident and vacuum works fine
 
Looks like [member=71889]festal[/member] and I received our module at the same time.  :)

Thanks to [member=25288]yasapl[/member] and [member=77192]ntlord[/member], I was able to make the BT battery work. However, I have something to be solved. When I start the cordless tool, the battery send the button click successfully and the plug is activating (testing with a lamp but it's the same thing). However, when the tool is stopped, there is no signal sent back to the module so to stop the plug, I need to start back the tool to send the button click signal again. I'm sure it's a different BLE event  that is sent to the module but is not coded on it. I'll work to try to find it but if you have an idea, you can contact me.
 
Francis_Beland said:
Looks like [member=71889]festal[/member] and I received our module at the same time.  :)

Thanks to [member=25288]yasapl[/member] and [member=77192]ntlord[/member], I was able to make the BT battery work. However, I have something to be solved. When I start the cordless tool, the battery send the button click successfully and the plug is activating (testing with a lamp but it's the same thing). However, when the tool is stopped, there is no signal sent back to the module so to stop the plug, I need to start back the tool to send the button click signal again. I'm sure it's a different BLE event  that is sent to the module but is not coded on it. I'll work to try to find it but if you have an idea, you can contact me.
Mine arrived a week ago. Finding Bluetooth remote took a while [emoji3]

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Francis_Beland said:
Looks like [member=71889]festal[/member] and I received our module at the same time.  :)

Thanks to [member=25288]yasapl[/member] and [member=77192]ntlord[/member], I was able to make the BT battery work. However, I have something to be solved. When I start the cordless tool, the battery send the button click successfully and the plug is activating (testing with a lamp but it's the same thing). However, when the tool is stopped, there is no signal sent back to the module so to stop the plug, I need to start back the tool to send the button click signal again. I'm sure it's a different BLE event  that is sent to the module but is not coded on it. I'll work to try to find it but if you have an idea, you can contact me.

I think your issue is related to how [member=77192]ntlord[/member] got it working. Remember that the remote stays un-paired and on each (any) button press it will send some BT signal. Atom just sees the mac address and toggle. It does not differentiate between on or off signals. This would require proper pairing and decoding signals from remote or battery and is out of my knowledge.

There is another option possible by incorporating the Festool remote receiver module and use it’s output pin to drive esp32. This way you could correctly pair and trigger any Festool device. There is some topic here with more details and example solution using attiny microcontroller.

Here are couple of interesting urls:
CTL SYS bluetooth module
https://www.festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/old-festool-ct-midimini-bluetooth-enablement/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=EyrakKOR5tI
 
I’m sitting here, gaping at the above with my jaw on the floor.

There’s a much easier solution. Just walk a few metres over to your vacuum and press the ‘on’ button. When you’re done - press it again and turn it ‘off’. The few cents you’ll spend on electricity and the few calories you’ll burn whilst walking will be peanuts compared to the few hundred gallons of midnight oil you’ve obviously burned on this. Obviously not a deal-breaker if your diet consists 95% of banana chilli dogs, battered and deep-fried in beer. I’m also guessing you aren’t wearing my shoes, with a huge pile of tasks to complete in an impossible timeframe, with a demanding client giving you h*ll and with a mortgage and bills to pay. The only time Bluetooth enters my real-world life is when it syncs with my phone in the van so I can talk handsfree to my girl on the 100-mile drive home, with me telling her it’s been a rough day and I won’t be home till midnight.

Over-complicating and over-thinking threads like this remind me of the phrase “A camel was a horse, designed by someone seeking solutions to problems which didn’t actually exist”.

Me? I’m busy getting actual work done. Angry? You betcha. I so, so wish I had time to fixate on nonsense like this. Have a nice day.
 
woodbutcherbower said:
Theres a much easier solution. Just walk a few metres over to your vacuum and press the ‘on’ button.

Over-complicating and over-thinking threads like this remind me of the phrase “A camel was a horse designed by a committee who’d never designed anything before”
That gets annoying really fast

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I would indeed. I use mine a lot with the Shaper Origin. It has to be plugged in, which is "on" since the computer and camera part are not "switched". If you plugged it into the CT it would run constantly. There is no way to make the "spindle" activate the vac itself.
 
festal said:
woodbutcherbower said:
There’s a much easier solution. Just walk a few metres over to your vacuum and press the ‘on’ button.

Over-complicating and over-thinking threads like this remind me of the phrase “A camel was a horse designed by a committee who’d never designed anything before”
That gets annoying really fast

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Why? Does a little truth hurt?
 
woodbutcherbower said:
festal said:
woodbutcherbower said:
There’s a much easier solution. Just walk a few metres over to your vacuum and press the ‘on’ button.

Over-complicating and over-thinking threads like this remind me of the phrase “A camel was a horse designed by a committee who’d never designed anything before”
That gets annoying really fast

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Why? Does a little truth hurt?
Huh? Feel free to walk to your vacuum and turn it on and off. I rather press a button . Truth

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woodbutcherbower said:
I’m sitting here, gaping at the above with my jaw on the floor.

There’s a much easier solution. Just walk a few metres over to your vacuum and press the ‘on’ button. When you’re done - press it again and turn it ‘off’. The few cents you’ll spend on electricity and the few calories you’ll burn whilst walking will be peanuts compared to the few hundred gallons of midnight oil you’ve obviously burned on this. Obviously not a deal-breaker if your diet consists 95% of banana chilli dogs, battered and deep-fried in beer. I’m also guessing you aren’t wearing my shoes, with a huge pile of tasks to complete in an impossible timeframe, with a demanding client giving you h*ll and with a mortgage and bills to pay. The only time Bluetooth enters my real-world life is when it syncs with my phone in the van so I can talk handsfree to my girl on the 100-mile drive home, with me telling her it’s been a rough day and I won’t be home till midnight.

Over-complicating and over-thinking threads like this remind me of the phrase “A camel was a horse, designed by someone seeking solutions to problems which didn’t actually exist”.

Me? I’m busy getting actual work done. Angry? You betcha. I so, so wish I had time to fixate on nonsense like this. Have a nice day.

Wow what a constructive way to add to the conversation. What about mind your own business? If you're so busy and don't have time, why are you taking the time to reply some non-sense about how we are stupid and you are so awesome? If it's a non existent problem, why they put auto-switching plug on dust extractor? Anyway, why I'm losing time to reply to this stupid post? Just a hint: we don't care about what you think. If you don't have something intelligent to add to the conversation, just don't post. Geez!!!!
 
yasapl said:
Francis_Beland said:
Looks like [member=71889]festal[/member] and I received our module at the same time.  :)

Thanks to [member=25288]yasapl[/member] and [member=77192]ntlord[/member], I was able to make the BT battery work. However, I have something to be solved. When I start the cordless tool, the battery send the button click successfully and the plug is activating (testing with a lamp but it's the same thing). However, when the tool is stopped, there is no signal sent back to the module so to stop the plug, I need to start back the tool to send the button click signal again. I'm sure it's a different BLE event  that is sent to the module but is not coded on it. I'll work to try to find it but if you have an idea, you can contact me.

I think your issue is related to how [member=77192]ntlord[/member] got it working. Remember that the remote stays un-paired and on each (any) button press it will send some BT signal. Atom just sees the mac address and toggle. It does not differentiate between on or off signals. This would require proper pairing and decoding signals from remote or battery and is out of my knowledge.

There is another option possible by incorporating the Festool remote receiver module and use it’s output pin to drive esp32. This way you could correctly pair and trigger any Festool device. There is some topic here with more details and example solution using attiny microcontroller.

Here are couple of interesting urls:
CTL SYS bluetooth module
https://www.festoolownersgroup.com/festool-jigs-tool-enhancements/old-festool-ct-midimini-bluetooth-enablement/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=EyrakKOR5tI

Thank you for the CONSTRUCTIVE answer  ;) Yeah I figured out in the code that it's not how it was supposed to work. When I look at the battery, I see a BT signal (blue LED lighting up for a moment) when the saw starts but nothing seems to happens when the saw stops. I'm really wondering how it works with the vac BT module. It's not a big deal since I can make it work but understanding how it works is the fun of it.  :)
 
My sincere apologies. It had been a 14-hour day, I’d brickwalled, and I shouldn’t have hijacked the thread with that unnecessary comment.

I’d suggest a simple 10-amp footswitch which sits between your power socket and your extractor. They only cost a few bucks. I’ve seen many guys using these onsite whilst using mains-powered extractors with cordless tools.
 
woodbutcherbower said:
I’d suggest a simple 10-amp footswitch which sits between your power socket and your extractor. They only cost a few bucks. I’ve seen many guys using these onsite whilst using mains-powered extractors with cordless tools.

That's what I used to use in the old shop for my mitersaw station. Auto-triggering can be quite annoying in a case like that anyway. I only stopped using it when the company did a major up-grade in the whole shop's dust collection system. At that point I got a drop connected to my saw and it was un-necessary.
 
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