Festool Capabilities/Potential

[MrToolJunkie]

I think that the statement was just to illustrate that Festools can do so much more than the average person uses them for. 

I know that I constantly read here about new uses.

Heck, some weeks I only bill 40% of my available time.  Numbers don't mean squat in some situations.

Peter

Interesting discussion and points -- yes, I think Peter said it well -- that the tools can do so much more than what many users use them for. 

Scot

 

[Paul G]

This reminds me of the Ginsu TV commercials, am I underutilizing my kitchen knives if I'm not sawing pipe with them?

 

[Davej]

Daft, daft, daft, daft, daft !!!

Gotta get me some Centrotec coffee stirrer bits [wink]

Festool forstner bits of course  [wink]. Do you still use a spoon !!

 

[Sean7a]

I remember having this discussion somewhere with someone, but I don't remember where or with whom, about learning curve and whether or not sophisticated tools help or hinder learning curve. This is what this topic reminds me of.

Its similar to musical instruments. I can go out and buy a vintage Fender Strat, but without years of skill building, knowledge and experience, I probably won't be able to play that instrument to its full potential like a musician can. And that's fine, that's not always the goal. Like Alex is saying, we all just play it to the best of our abilities and to meet our own needs.

Well said sir.  Numero uno, ensure you're enjoying your work and if the tool is augmenting this aspect of your vocation, then you've made the right choice. 

 

[sprior]

I choose to not use the potential the tools have for finger removal.

 

[Stephen B]

I choose to not use the potential the tools have for finger removal.

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P = E X [(Q+D+En)x Ex]
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                  S

Where S = stupidity ( or if you prefer, tool mismanagement!)

 

[Slappy]

I remember hearing in Festool class that most users only use a certain percent of a typical Festool's potential or what it is capable of.  Does anyone know offhand what that statistic is?  One of those little fun trivia things and it has been driving me nuts trying to recall exactly what Steve Bace had said...

Thanks!

Scot

I remember Steve saying something like te average tool user only uses a tool to 53% of its potential. I dont know where e got that number from. I dont remember if it was exactly 53% but it was 50 something % for sure.

Is that not but  a motivational B S line ?  

to the likes of you either follow the herd or lead the herd ?  

I find my potentials are challenged only  by my lack of proper tools   [wink]
there are two types of people one who says there's gotta be a better way & one who asks how'd he do that ? :

 

[Kev]

Daft, daft, daft, daft, daft !!!

Gotta get me some Centrotec coffee stirrer bits [wink]

Festool forstner bits of course  [wink]. Do you still use a spoon !!

Ironically Protool make some nice coffee stirrers ...

http://www.idealtools.com.au/featured-specials/protool-projet-color-pjc-d80-120-m8-set-by-protool

 

[andy5405]

I think this one is a no brainer. The original comment to me just means that if you attend a class run by experts you will almost certainly learn more about a tool's potential.

 

[ccarrolladams]

And when classes such as the Festool End User ones have instructors such as Steve, The Sedge and George, combined with a mix of woodworkers with varied backgrounds, there is a "synergy" that increases the benefits.

 

[sancho57]

Who wants to be average?  [scared]

i strive for average its my potential [cool]

 

[fp1337]

Sounds like what a salesman would say. Just so they can sell you those $$$ accessories to use your tool 100%......

 

[peter halle]

In defense of the trainers, I have been at three classes and have had a chance to experience Steve and Sedge.  I have also experienced Allen at a Roadshow event.  Never once has a trainer even tried to convince me to buy something.  Their function is to educate, demonstrate, and explain, and they do that fabulously.  Frankly they are the best that I have ever seen.  Now if I came away from the classes and then wanted to purchase something I saw or used in the class then that is a result of the class - not because there was a sales pitch.

I am saying all this because I know that I and many others hold these guys in the highest regard and frankly I don't want future readers of this thread to get the wrong impression.

Peter

 

[Scott B.]

In defense of the trainers, I have been at three classes and have had a chance to experience Steve and Sedge.  I have also experienced Allen at a Roadshow event.  Never once has a trainer even tried to convince me to buy something.  Their function is to educate, demonstrate, and explain, and they do that fabulously.  Frankly they are the best that I have ever seen.  Now if I came away from the classes and then wanted to purchase something I saw or used in the class then that is a result of the class - not because there was a sales pitch.

I am saying all this because I know that I and many others hold these guys in the highest regard and frankly I don't want future readers of this thread to get the wrong impression.

Peter

Thank you for saying that, Peter. I could not agree more. I have spent bunches of time with both. Steve Bace and Sedge are quality people. No ulterior motives...quality people who shoot straight.

I think that whatever the original comment referred to in this thread was, it is obviously open to interpretation here, which is kind of futile.

 

[wrightwoodwork]

I haven't being on the courses but training should give you a good grounding to develop even better teqniques of your own everyone should be developing and improving there teqniques and skill I know I am

 

[peter halle]

I haven't being on the courses but training should give you a good grounding to develop even better teqniques of your own everyone should be developing and improving there teqniques and skill I know I am

When we are talking about Festool tool training here in the US, there are a few classes offered for end users like us.  Some of them are project based - building cabinets, building door and drawers, building a farm style table, and then there is the general introduction to the Festool system, and also the advanced router class where there is some end user participation but the primary focus is to introduce and educate the attendees about the tools and also the accessories that have been designed for them to offer more capabilities.  In all honesty, if I hadn't attended those two non project based classes I wouldn't have had a chance to see in detail how some of the accessories work.  Or even how some of the tools work.

Woodworkers are well known for trying different ways and building jigs and fixtures to accomplish their desired goal.  Festool is as far as I can see unique in the offerings of accessories that allow an off the shelf alternative to spending the time and other resources to achieve many of those.

I apologize for my long windedness.  I have been a proponent of the classes since before the first one.

Peter

 

[sancho57]

In defense of the trainers, I have been at three classes and have had a chance to experience Steve and Sedge.  I have also experienced Allen at a Roadshow event.  Never once has a trainer even tried to convince me to buy something.  Their function is to educate, demonstrate, and explain, and they do that fabulously.  Frankly they are the best that I have ever seen.  Now if I came away from the classes and then wanted to purchase something I saw or used in the class then that is a result of the class - not because there was a sales pitch.

I am saying all this because I know that I and many others hold these guys in the highest regard and frankly I don't want future readers of this thread to get the wrong impression.

Peter

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