Festool Centrotec "stubby" bits discontinued? (Ex: PH 2-25)

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Have the "stubby" driver bits been discontinued? I'm having trouble finding them and they are no longer listed on Festoolusa.com

Specifically the Phillips #2 (listed as PH 2-25 ) usually (I'm assuming 25mm length). I can only find the 50 mm ones.

I just want to buy some in bulk, not with any sort of set or holder.

I do see them at a couple distributor sites, but wondering if that's just back stock?
 
Yeah those stubby bits are great.
I have no idea why festool stopped pushing these, probably price point was difficult but I have no idea. I'd buy more.
 
Holzhacker said:
Yeah those stubby bits are great.
I have no idea why festool stopped pushing these, probably price point was difficult but I have no idea. I'd buy more.

I guess in reality any stubby bit would work, most of the time I just them in the non-centrotec bit holder, but still nice if you lock in them in (BHS 60 CE) occasionally. Although, once again, maybe the 50 mm ones are just meant to replace BHS60 + stubby......

maybe I just answered the question.....  8)
 
The 50mm are the Centrotec stubby bits. When placed in a Centrotec chuck they are very short. A lot of the 50mm length is taken up by the Centrotec shank. I like these quite a lot. I tend to reserve them for tight spaces.

If you are after 25mm bits to use in any holder that you like including the Festool holders, then any good quality standard  25mm bit will do the job. Lots to choose from if the Festool are discontinued .....................  Wera, Wiha, PB Swiss.

Seth
 
Are the Wehra, PB Swiss etc any better than less expensive items? Maybe a user such as Crazyraceguy who must use a lot of them can offer an opinion.
 
All of them are consumables in the end.

But: the higher end Wera, Wiha and last but not least the outmost high-end PB Swiss offer a far superior fit/ seating and will outlast cheap bits. However most important is fit, I don’t touch any visible screw or bolt with anything else than the PB Swiss - if I use bits.

And while with PH and PZ drives this is not always that crucial, with hex drives it is. Bad fit ruins those screws/bolts in no time. A bit that is on the lower end of acceptable tolerances is way more likely to damage the drive/ head and slip.

Torx is a little more forgiving, at least starting from T15 and up.

How that applies to each users personal use cases is to be determined by no other than the user himself.

That said, the old Festool 25mm bits with stamped markings, light golden shine, plastic blister and the older green/white Festool CI were pretty good, as well as the same era/style 100mm bits.

The 25mm bits that came after, with the etched markings, were not that great at all in terms of fit and durability.

The more recent 50mm and 100mm are back on track to be all around OK.

My personal feeling is, that there were changes made as to which company supplies these in all of the cases.

So maybe, we will see the 25mm bits return at some point. Can’t say I miss those that have been gone now as I only ever used them for driving screws that nobody would ever see/ when it didn’t matter what the head/drive looked like afterwards or for demolition.

Wera, Wiha, Hazet, Athlet, Felo all make great 25mm bits that are far superior, but have different product lines for different uses. PB Swiss has one, and in my opinion it is the best.

That said, Stahlwille & Hazet make exceptional bit-sockets if one wants to go that route.

Snap-On bits vary, they have higher-end Wera produced bits as well as US made bits that are really good. But also some that are of lesser quality, when the tips on PH and PZ drive bits are protruding too much for proper fit/ seating. That was also a problem on some of the last Festool 25mm bits iirc.

Again, all depends on what one needs.

Kind regards,
Oliver   
 
Well [member=58818]Mini Me[/member] I guess it kind of depends on the shape of the tip you are using.
I am very much in the Robertson camp(square), for assembly type screws, with Pozi #2 for most of the hardware.
I absolutely hate Phillips, doing all I can to avoid them. Drywall guys love them for the cam-out, which is why they are so bad for nearly everything else.
Like Oliver said, the 1" insert bits (Phillips) are effectively consumable/disposable. That's why so many retailers sell them in 10 packs (or more). I generally buy them in one of the big box stores, in one of the bigger contractor tool brands (DeWalt/Makita etc) They hold up better, in the limited use I give them.
I try not to use Phillips under power, hand drive only, if possible.
I try to avoid insert bits anyway, preferring the 2" (50mm), mostly because I drive cabinet screws with an impact driver. They don't do so well with magnetic inserts, because they have a tendency to pull out, leaving the tip in the last screw.
Lots of people like Torx (star) bits too, but I still prefer square, they seem to be the least strip-prone.
All that being said, I keep virtually every type/size in my box, since I don't have a choice is many cases.
I have them all in 2" Hex (fractional and metric) Torx, Robertson, Pozi, and Phillips. The specialty oddball ones are all 1" inserts.
I also have a pretty big selection of 100mm, usually used with a hand driver. Those are all Festool, which I assume are Wera? They don't say anything other than Festool.
Brand wise, the others are mostly Wera too, except for the Phillips from the hardware store.
My hand drivers are Wera too, but that is a more recent purchase. I used Bondhus before, still use them occasionally, but they are ball-tip. That's one of those pluses that is also a minus at times.
If I nee seriously stubby, it's a 1" bit in the right-angle attachment of the CXS.....and rethink my decisions  [blink]

So, at least in my opinion, the better quality brands are indeed better. They fit the fastener better, and last longer. It's a delicate balance between hard enough not to just mush, but not so glass hard that they break. That is how my favorite #2 square bits normally die. I use the same one daily, for multiple years, driving thousands of screws. Then suddenly, that tiny little 1/8" or so that is actually inside the screw has a catastrophic failure, staying in that screw forever. This is all with an impact driver, so it is probably causing it, but it's over such a long time, I don't mind.

Kind of a ramble, but I hope it helps.
 
Crazyraceguy said:
So, at least in my opinion, the better quality brands are indeed better. They fit the fastener better, and last longer. It's a delicate balance between hard enough not to just mush, but not so glass hard that they break.

That's the reason Apex offers their bits in 3 different hardnesses. Great bits but difficult to source locally. I was paying about $1 per shorty bit about 16 years ago.  [tongue]

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Crazyraceguy said:
That's pretty cool. Smart, but it has to be costly to them to stock all of that.

For the most part, the distributors only stock the "X" hardness version and you need to ask for the other versions to fit your specific needs. That option may become complicated, however I find that option refreshing as the current flavor of the month is to simply promote bits rated "for use with impact drivers" as the general cure-all for everything...which they aren't.

 
Crazyraceguy said:
Well [member=58818]Mini Me[/member] I guess it kind of depends on the shape of the tip you are using.
I am very much in the Robertson camp(square), for assembly type screws, with Pozi #2 for most of the hardware.
I absolutely hate Phillips, doing all I can to avoid them. Drywall guys love them for the cam-out, which is why they are so bad for nearly everything else.

Same here...I've been a Robertson/Square Drive preferred person for a decade and a half and that's what I buy and build with primarily with Torx as my secondary, particularly for "construction" type work. I'm happy when hardware comes with Pozi rather than Phillips. For a long time Festool didn't really support Robertson/Square Drive so I used mostly Snappy branded Centrotec driving bits, but now have a full set of the 100mm Festool driver bits that came in a Sortainer plus both #1 and #1 50mm square drive as my primary. I'm very happy with them.
 
Festool is a German company. Robertson isn't really a thing in Europe.
 
Coen said:
Festool is a German company. Robertson isn't really a thing in Europe.

Fractional inch scales aren't either, but they gave in to that. I wish they hadn't, but they did.

Jim_in_PA said:
For a long time Festool didn't really support Robertson/Square Drive so I used mostly Snappy branded Centrotec driving bits, but now have a full set of the 100mm Festool driver bits that came in a Sortainer plus both #1 and #1 50mm square drive as my primary. I'm very happy with them.
I have that same set and it is great. I would have liked to see more variety of sizes of the bins inside, but it does the job. Snappy has been good for me too. I have a local dealer that stocks them.
 
Crazyraceguy said:
Jim_in_PA said:
For a long time Festool didn't really support Robertson/Square Drive so I used mostly Snappy branded Centrotec driving bits, but now have a full set of the 100mm Festool driver bits that came in a Sortainer plus both #1 and #1 50mm square drive as my primary. I'm very happy with them.
I have that same set and it is great. I would have liked to see more variety of sizes of the bins inside, but it does the job. Snappy has been good for me too. I have a local dealer that stocks them.

The set of 100mm bits was the "pleasant surprise"; the SYS ORG box really has no in-shop use for me, but is occasionally handy for when I want/need to take a bunch of fasteners into the house or to one of our daughters' apartments to "do stuff". I already have substantial in-shop organization for the kinds of things that I believe folks typically put into the SYS ORG. For the bins, the 3D printer market has a number of creative offerings for alternative sizes including stacking ones that still lock into the base and into the lid when closed.
 
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