Festool CT26 for home cleaning

[jonny round boy]

I don't recall reading any posts where someone said that there was no suction loss between the 36 and 27mm hoses, but I can remember reading people saying the opposite.

It seems obvious to me that a 27mm hose would restrict airflow more than a 36mm one...

I'm surprised Festool would tell you otherwise. Who was it at Festool that said that?

 

[jmbfestool]

I don't recall reading any posts where someone said that there was no suction loss between the 36 and 27mm hoses, but I can remember reading people saying the opposite.

It seems obvious to me that a 27mm hose would restrict airflow more than a 36mm one...

I'm surprised Festool would tell you otherwise. Who was it at Festool that said that?

I read some where on fog some one saying their is no difference between to two.  I think Brice said go for the larger hose for better extraction/suction and some one replyed saying why do people think the diameter of the hose makes a difference in suction. Im sure I read that unless I dreamt it! lol

Any way!
I will ask my dealer who it was! My dealer is talking 2 festool now finding out what do they mean when they say no suction loss as der clearly is alot of suction loss they might mean something else by no suction loss? [blink]

JMB

 

[AlexThePalex]

Sorry to hear it didn't work out with the 17 meter hose and that you were wrongly informed by Festool, JMB. I must admit I was a bit skeptical about the use of such a long hose. As far as I know I have always heard and read Festool state that 7 meter was the maximum length for practical use. Any longer than that and you'd loose too much suction, they said.

Perhaps those people who ordered 15 or 20 meter long hoses used it for sanding on a ladder. Sanding doesn't nearly require as much suction as cleaning.

Hope you get your money back.

 

[jmbfestool]

Sorry to hear it didn't work out with the 17 meter hose and that you were wrongly informed by Festool, JMB. I must admit I was a bit skeptical about the use of such a long hose. As far as I know I have always heard and read Festool state that 7 meter was the maximum length for practical use. Any longer than that and you'd loose too much suction, they said.

Perhaps those people who ordered 15 or 20 meter long hoses used it for sanding on a ladder. Sanding doesn't nearly require as much suction as cleaning.

Hope you get your money back.

Cheers Alex,

I was thinking the same BUT when FESTOOL tell you its 15 meters no suction loss then you kinda believe them. I hope I get my money back as that length hose is not cheap!

I am still awaiting a reply from my Dealer to whats happening!  I said its false information and he agree and said he thinks festool will come and pick the hose up from my house. So I am just waiting to see what he comes back with.

JMB

 

[tbellemare]

Take a look at reply #5 in this thread, JMB. It shows the difference in a 27mm and 36mm hose pretty dramatically.

Tom

 

[NuggyBuggy]

Couple of thoughts:

- I don't know what attachment I would use to handle carpets and rugs with a CT.   My Miele (as do most home vacs, I believe) have controls to adjust the height of the brush mechanism to handle thicker/shorter pile carpet.  I guess you could jury rig a CT hose to such a powerhead/tube.

- decent home vacs will have a control to allow you to control suction power where you hold the wand.

- decent home vacs are easily extendable (and then retractable) when working with high spots.  The tubes that came in my Festool cleaning set would be a pain in the butt to have to connect/disassemble very often.

- the rubber on the end of the hoses (that I have for my two CT-36s and mini, anyways) are made with a compound that appears to easily mar surfaces like hardwood and painted walls.  I left black marks everywhere when I carelessly used it to suck up christmas tree needles this year.  It's like they made the rubber out of black crayons.  Yes, I know this wouldn't happen if I used a proper head, but sometimes it's just not handy for a quick cleanup.  The black marks rub off easily from my hardwood; not so easily from the walls.  Not sure what the designers were thinking of there.  I definitely wouldn't use it near white sofas, drapes, walls or carpet. 

I have 3 CTs.  At home I keep a mini and a Miele home vacuum and while I'd love to be able to make do without the home vac, it's just much nicer to use: lighter, lower center of gravity, and quieter; with the adjustments all easily at hand.

 

[awdriven]

I just don't like vacuuming with a canister type vac.  I have the tradesman cleaning kit with CT26, but the floor brush just doesn't impress me that much and is kind of unnecessarily heavy. The dirt is collected all via a small central port, so if you have anything like a scrap of double-sticky tape backing, that won't get picked up because it won't fit through the dirt port. I think it would do well with fine dust and sawdust though. Dustpans and shop vacs still have their places.

I have a backpack-style vac that gets used for regular vacuuming around the house. (ProTeam brand). It's 150cfm  and 100 inches of water lift, so the power is similar to the CT26. The floor brushes are more like the Festool 'industrial' brush head. They're maybe 18 inches wide and there's more open space under there, with a 1.5 inch port where the dirt is drawn up into the hose. There is a super-long cord and I can vacuum my entire two-story house without unplugging if I use a centrally located outlet. Because the canister is worn on your back, it's easy cleaning stairs and the floor wand is very light and easy to move in and around furniture, or to use for hockey slap-shotting toys left out of place.

Ok, bringing it back to Festool - I've found that the Wand and attachments meant for the 1.5 inch anti-stat hose of my Proteam vac will also work on my CT with the 36mm hose! Using the proteam attachments on the CT made it a lot nicer for me, but I'll still use the backpack for regular cleaning.

I think the Tradesman set is still a pretty good value, but I haven't had the right opportunity to use it for what it would be best suited-to.

 

[awdriven]

I have the: 100078    Commercial Two Piece 1.5 in. Wand Kit A listed on this page:
http://www.pro-team.com/pt/accessories/kits.aspx

The scalloped felt tool in the kit works beautifully on hardwood and doesn't scratch. I got a 14" carpet brush separately and it works well on carpet.

The wand and the small accessories fit nicely inside the rubber hose end on the Festool 36mm hose.

Note: I corrected myself on the kit that I got. I got the two-piece wand, which can be broken down.

 

[greg mann]

Couple of thoughts:

- I don't know what attachment I would use to handle carpets and rugs with a CT.   My Miele (as do most home vacs, I believe) have controls to adjust the height of the brush mechanism to handle thicker/shorter pile carpet.  I guess you could jury rig a CT hose to such a powerhead/tube.

- decent home vacs will have a control to allow you to control suction power where you hold the wand.

- decent home vacs are easily extendable (and then retractable) when working with high spots.  The tubes that came in my Festool cleaning set would be a pain in the butt to have to connect/disassemble very often.

- the rubber on the end of the hoses (that I have for my two CT-36s and mini, anyways) are made with a compound that appears to easily mar surfaces like hardwood and painted walls.  I left black marks everywhere when I carelessly used it to suck up christmas tree needles this year.  It's like they made the rubber out of black crayons.  Yes, I know this wouldn't happen if I used a proper head, but sometimes it's just not handy for a quick cleanup.  The black marks rub off easily from my hardwood; not so easily from the walls.  Not sure what the designers were thinking of there.   I definitely wouldn't use it near white sofas, drapes, walls or carpet. 

I have 3 CTs.  At home I keep a mini and a Miele home vacuum and while I'd love to be able to make do without the home vac, it's just much nicer to use: lighter, lower center of gravity, and quieter; with the adjustments all easily at hand.

If you have a Miele don't assume anything about other 'decent' home vacs. The Miele line is about as good as it gets; powerful, quiet, easy to maneuver, etc. The bags are pricy but they pack pretty tight, much like Festool bags, and they are easy and clean to change. We have one that gets a good workout because of our German Shepard. I do use a CT22 with vacuum brush when I groom him. The AS hose makes that job much neater.

 

[jmbfestool]

Take a look at reply #5 in this thread, JMB. It shows the difference in a 27mm and 36mm hose pretty dramatically.

Tom

Cheers!

How come I missed that thread! Its not that old! If I had of seen that video before I bought the 17 metre hose I would of told my dealer to tell Festool BOLLOCKs to their is no suction loss with the 27mm hose and then would of questioned the 15meters no suction loss answer aswell! DAM IT! lol

  Thats the exact same test I did with my hoses on the turbo brush!  Like your video shows difference between the two hoses and it is quite abit I think!  So now imagine a 27mm with suction loss and then having a  17meters long 27mm hose! The suction is so low it only just spins the brush head like I said if it was clean I would use my tongue to stop the brush lol

 

[Brice Burrell]

I have the: 101337     Commercial One Piece 1.5 in. Wand Kit F listed on this page:
http://www.pro-team.com/pt/accessories/kits.aspx

I got the '14" Hard Floor Tool w/Felt Brush/Scalloped' separately and it works beautifully on hardwood floors. There is a 'carpet' brush included in the kit above that works well on carpets.

The wand and the small accessories fit nicely inside the rubber hose end on the Festool 36mm hose.

Where do you buy these products from?

 

[awdriven]

I got the vac and accessories from Ivie Enterprises. They're a janitorial supply house. I think there are probably no-name acessories that may be cheaper and work on the 1.5 inch hose standard, but I'm just commenting on the ones I have used myself. Note, that wand only breaks down into two pieces, so it's not going to fit into a systainer, but is very light. (maybe half the weight of the durable but heavy festool hose sections.)

 

[ccarrolladams]

In late 2005, before I was thinking of setting up a wood shop in my condo, the common area coin laundry room often flooded my space.

I went to a janitorial supply firm a few blocks away and bought a wet vac that resembles R2D2 painted blue. A week later I was using a beloved Hoover upright to vacuum some carpet. I did not realize that carpet was wet, so the Hoover died in seconds. Over the years I had passed an up-scale appliance store.

One of their featured brands is Mielé. (My apologies, I just realized I left out the i in some posts.) During the day, when I was on vacation, the sound of the Mielé was no problem. Compared to the late Hoover, it was quiet. The Mielé might not meet Heppa standards, but I was not bothered by the odor of dust, as was the case with the Hoover.

The week after I bought the Mielé vac I purchased my first TS55 and CT22. One of the features I love most with the CT22 is that they do not interfere with electronic equipment. Even with a 27mm AS hose I did not need to turn the CT22 up all the way. Three weeks after I started building things with my TS55 my vacation ended.

I was back to supervising the "grave yard" shift from 8pm to 4am. When I got home I was tired but wide awake. One night when I could not get to sleep, I tried turning on the CT22 on a minimum setting. I could hardly hear it. Outside my front door I could not hear it. I only had the 27mm AS hose, which did not work well with the Mielé fittings. I measured that hose which was 37mm. Saturday morning I drove to Eagle Tool and bought a 37mm AS hose.

Wow, that CT22 worked like a quiet charm during the night. When I vacuumed during the day I still used the Mielé. As soon as I retired it was like vacation 24/7. I no longer wanted to clean my floors in the middle of the night. In my workshop I started using a Festool utility brush, like a short counter brush.

These days I own a lot of CT22 and one CT36. Everyone of those as one of the utility brushes.

My Mielé stays in my condo. That workshop and all my Festools now live in my big shop.

 

[Brice Burrell]

I got the vac and accessories from Ivie Enterprises. They're a janitorial supply house. I think there are probably no-name acessories that may be cheaper and work on the 1.5 inch hose standard, but I'm just commenting on the ones I have used myself. Note, that wand only breaks down into two pieces, so it's not going to fit into a systainer, but is very light. (maybe half the weight of the durable but heavy festool hose sections.)

Thanks for the link.  I'll have to dig around to find what they have.  I noticed on the other link you posted that one of the sets has a turbo brush, gonna have to check the price on that.

 

[awdriven]

Glad to help - I think it may be the same turbo brush we've seen under a few different brands. Sorry I don't have part numbers for everything. If you look on the pro team site under accessories the part numbers are all listed. There are a lot of other online dealers.

On the floor accessories, note that there is a threaded type coupling for a lot of them. You would need a wand with that type of coupling to be compatible.

 

[NuggyBuggy]

If you have a Miele don't assume anything about other 'decent' home vacs. The Miele line is about as good as it gets; powerful, quiet, easy to maneuver, etc.

That's all true, and that's why we bought Miele.  But even far less expensive vacs than Miele have adjustable brushes, telescoping handles, suction control at the top of the handle, lower center of gravity, non-marring pieces, etc, all of which lead me to not want to use a CT for home cleaning purposes..

 

[petiegolfer]

We have the Miele Cat and Dog 5000 it ranges from 300 watts to 2200 watts and pisses all over the ctl for home cleaning.

We have had Dysons Vacs etc and they dont come close either.

It isnt the cheapest of machines but it is a beast in a surprisingly small and manuverable package.

http://www.miele.co.uk/vacuum-cleaners/s5/catanddogturbo5000-76/

£170 there or there abouts...if you have pets or even if you dont it is a great machine.

Piers