Festool CT26M???

[DrD]

Just finished watching Peter Parfitt's brilliant video series on the Kapex 60.  He does a very thorough job of going thru the 60, pointing out the various features, advantages and benefits.  As well he demonstrates the un-necessary concern some have raised because the deck (on the 120 or the 60) may not be absolutely flat - love it.  Very good review, except I now want one when they come to our shores.

He does confuse me on one point: he connects the 60 to a CTM 26 which has a selector for hose size.  What is this?  Is it a new dust extractor?  Is it available in the USA?  What changes when a hose of 1 size is selected over that of another?  Just went to the USA website and found no mention of such a de.  Peter are you there?

 

[copcarcollector]

I can't answer the technical questions, but this version is not available in N American at this time-

 

[six-point socket II]

Hi Dr.D,

The currently available model CT 26 M E in Germany/Europe has a volume flow rate detector built in, this is a requirement for class M type vacuums in Germany. I don't think it's available in the US

If the volume flow rate falls beneath a certain limit (20 m/s) it will warn you.

Now since different hose diameter with different tools attached act all differently it's a great idea to "tell" the vacuum which hose you are using upfront so it can adjust accordingly.

A lot of people's complaints about class M vaccums are that they warn (beep) often without any reason/totally unnecessary simply because of hose diameter, and this is a perfect way to reduce false warnings and ensure people do not tamper with the electronics to keep it from beeping all the time and getting on their nerves. (think seatbelt...)

Kind regards,
Oliver

 

[geoffshep]

He does confuse me on one point: he connects the 60 to a CTM 26 which has a selector for hose size.  What is this?

He mentions the CTM at the beginning of the first KS60 video - he says he will be doing a video about it.

 

[DrD]

[member=61712]six-point socket II[/member]
  Thanks for the heads-up!

[member=35979]geoffshep[/member]
  Must have totally glazed over.  Short attention span or whatever.  Am going back now to re-view the 1st video.

Thanks,

 

[antss]

Doc , I think it's much less a concern and more of a criticism.

When you're charging nearly twice what the competition is, people just expect more.

 

[demographic]

I have one of those CTMs for building site work as the regulations are starting to clamp down on the numpties who rock and connect a Henry to their saw when they have a pallet worth of MDF to cut.
There was an advisory thing that the HSE put out a while ago mentioning their requirements so I linked it onto this forum. Largely met by people going "Lalala I'm not listening" but I bought that version because I wanted to future proof my purchase against forthcoming legislation.

I didn't want to buy a CT then six months down the line have it banned off the big sites and realise I should have bought the CTM.
Yeah, as mentioned I think that knob adjusts the sensitivity of the sensor as I cant say I've noticed it making other differences.

Oh, yeah. it's a nice machine as well by the way. Especially now the pain of paying six hundred and seventy quid for it has lessened.

 

[grobkuschelig]

Hi,

I bought one as well a couple of weeks ago.  [drooling]
I do not really need it at the moment, but since my festool stuff tends to stick around and I see myself becoming a house owner during the next years, I wanted to have a "future proof" vac that would also be able to handle drywall sanding, so went for the CTM E AC.

You have the big knob for man/auto ON/OFF, the suction-regulation, the "hose-diameter" selector and the auto clean-regulation.
As far as I can tell, the hose-diameter selector also just seems to set the value for the sensor, not impacting suction.

So far I like it a lot compared to my previous old Karcher unit, which was more like a hamster with a respiratory problem.
I also have the CTL-SYS, which is brilliant for "on-site" work or the quick job at the relatives, but needs the bag to be changed just way too often, because of its size...

 

[geoffshep]

Video now live -http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tool-reviews/festool-ctm-26-video

 

[sodwyer]

can someone tell me the difference between the ctl and the ctm i realise its the size of dust particles it picks up but is the difference the filter if it is could you put the m filter in the l and then it becomes an m class or is that to simple

 

[six-point socket II]

Hi,

heres a very, very comprehensive posts from [member=11629]GarryMartin[/member] on this subject.
http://festoolownersgroup.com/festo...ction-l-class-vs-m-class/msg419842/#msg419842

And like I already said, in a professional environment (Germany/Europe) the air flow indicator is a MUST have for any class M dust extractor.

So, no - in a professional environment swapping filters is not sufficient. If you're a hobbyist you can swap them and might get higher filtration.

Kind regards,
Oliver

 

[GarryMartin]

Please do have a read of the post Oliver points you to if you are interested in more detail, but in answer to your specific question;

can someone tell me the difference between the ctl and the ctm i realise its the size of dust particles it picks up but is the difference the filter if it is could you put the m filter in the l and then it becomes an m class or is that to simple

Your profile doesn't mention which country you are in, but in the UK, the standard filters in both the CTL and CTM are the same. Only the non-standard HEPA filters have greater levels of filtration. So in essence, you already have an "M" class filter in your "L" class machine.

The linked post will give you a lot more detail about what makes an M class machine an M class from a certification perspective.