Festool Dealer has no clue............

waynelang2001

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Hello all,

Not sure where i should put this post but here goes. I went to my local Festool dealer again today after not being there for a while. I was with him in the festool area and saw that he had the Domino in a T-loc systainer. So i said to him, oh i see you guys finally have the new t-loc in. He looked at me for a second and said oh yes of course. Not even 30 second later he said to me, Do you see that we also have the new style systainers now..................He had no clue what T-loc meant when I said it, He was just agreeing with me to maybe sound like he new what I was talking about. Any one else have Festool dealers that are this out of the loop ?????
 
Don't push too hard. Even well known dealers sometimes make mistakes, or don't know something. I won't tell that XYZ  made funny mistake or ABC doesn't know something.  We are just human being. :)

Regards,
VictorL
 
I can understand not knowing the little things.......But now knowing the name of such a major new item is just plain lazy in my eyes. Maybe i just spend to much time doing my homework on festool products before i go to the dealers. I wonder if they are looking for new staff in the Festool department [scratch chin] [scratch chin]
 
Hey Wayne - Long time no chat.

Sorry to hijack your post but - What this space!!!!

I've given Festool Germany until the 1st of January to sort out Festool SA. All the dealers I've spoken to here in Cape Town are VERY unhappy with the lack of info, support, stock etc, etc.
All the Festool users I speak to, myself included, are VERY unhappy with Festool SA.

So, in short, there are new laws coming into effect in April next year. I plan to utilise them to put pressure on Festool SA. Even if this means going to court. I've had enough now.

As innocent as the event is you refer to, it is inducative of what is going on throughout SA. We are being held to ransom and it has to end. I will keep all in the loop with the relevant info as this saga unfolds.

Festool SA needs to realise quickly, that they can be compelled to deliver the service they promised and that is expected.
 
We only have one dealer in Chicago and luckily they are damn good. Yeah Woodworld! [big grin]. Having only one dealer it would really _uck to have them be bad. Hope things straighten out for you guys.
 
I have not been in a dealer yet that knew anything about Festool. In the states Bob Marino is probably your best bet although I have not purchased from him. I don't need to buy from a knowledgeable retailer as I am well aware of the features. I can't imagine the lost sales due to a poorly advised dealer network...and here is the problem. Festool like the company I worked for offers product training to their dealers usually via their outside reps. Sadly, the dealers can set very little time aside if any at all because they are afraid of losing floor sales while training. Kind of a no brainer if you ask me, lose a few floor sales during a training class or be unable to answer and close sales all year long. Dealers/retailers need to wake up.
 
tigger said:
Hey Wayne - Long time no chat.

Sorry to hijack your post but - What this space!!!!

I've given Festool Germany until the 1st of January to sort out Festool SA. All the dealers I've spoken to here in Cape Town are VERY unhappy with the lack of info, support, stock etc, etc.
All the Festool users I speak to, myself included, are VERY unhappy with Festool SA.

So, in short, there are new laws coming into effect in April next year. I plan to utilise them to put pressure on Festool SA. Even if this means going to court. I've had enough now.

As innocent as the event is you refer to, it is inducative of what is going on throughout SA. We are being held to ransom and it has to end. I will keep all in the loop with the relevant info as this saga unfolds.

Festool SA needs to realise quickly, that they can be compelled to deliver the service they promised and that is expected.

Sound like a plain Tigger, I can understand that most dealers get very little help from Festool SA. Lets just hold thumbs that your action might actually get things rolling in the right direction.
 
Yea Wayne, I hope so. Everything I've done so far, has largely been ignored.

From what I can gather, Festool SA tells Germany it's the dealers fault for not keeping the right amount of spares in stock!! They can't keep stock, if the importer doesn't have it! I've been in the importing game and that is a first for me.

However, it has also come to my attention that certain dealers in the Cape Town area have been blatently ignored and threatened as "trouble makers" for complaining about the lack of service and availability of spares and machines. What a cheek!.

If I don't get what I want, I'm going to make this as public as possible. Trust me. If I have lodge a formal application in the Cape High Court, to get what Festool should be happy to give us (which is service), I will have a reporter there.
The Competions Board will have a field day with this lot too. I will also report them to the Better Business Bureau and the various Chambers of Commerce.
I have plenty of written testomony, avidavits, emails (from Festool SA) dealers, end users as well as people whom are even prepared to come to court, to bury this guys.

It is ridiculous that we have to go to these lengths to uphold a brand that we love so much and are proud to own and use just because one idiot thinks he is doing us a favour by importing it. He is unapologetic, arrogant, rude and thinks we are all fools. He blatantly lied to me regarding Festool products and I'm really happy I have it in writing on an email to me. It just goes to prove my point that he know way to little about Festool and just trying to make a quick buck without upholding the ethos of Festool Internationally. Everyone is allowed to "get it wrong", or make a mistake, but daily!!!

I can't believe that Festool Germany is letting this continue. All response I have from them (through a third party, in another country, no less) is that they are aware of the situation and dealing with it. Well, nothing has changed in the past three or four months and it is getting worse.

As I said before, watch this space. I've been getting my "ducks in a row" for a few months now and my lawyers are in the loop should I need to take legal action.

I will not stand by quietly and allow Festool users to be treated like this.  
 
Well I use Rex crystals but unfortunately he is about 2hours away from me so I deal with him over the phone as he has great delivery service one of the best. Any way for things like screws glues and stuff I use my Local dealer who also is a Festool Dealer but if you was a normal person not us Festool Geeks you wont know that he sells festool no Joke! A lot of my work mates ask me where can they buy festool I tell hem and they say:  WA! I didnt know he sold Festool!

Any way! He has all his festool round a corner right at the back of the shop. He has bosch and Makita at the front on shelves with large Bosch and Makita logos. I dont think he wants to sell Festool. Any way this guy asked him for a small drill but with alot of power well he took him to the bosch 12v!  I was being served by anther memeber of staff!  I said why is he not telling the guy about the CXS.  The guy serving me looked at me and said whats that! I said the new festool drill.  He said what new festool drill. He spoke the the main guy from the shop after he finished selling the bosch and I said av u got the CXS an he said no festool not told him anything about this new drill! The thing is Rex crystals at this time had the CXS for sale for about 2 weeks or more.

JMB
 
I've finally found a really good Festool dealer here in France. He is extremely knowledgable, has a huge amount of stock and it's a small family business.  He even gave me a lift today back to the garage to pick up my car. I have even complained to Festool France about their dealers in the past till I came across this company. I didn't know they sold Festool - they are a sharpening company where I take my blades etc
Richard.
 
There are some major tooldealers in my area, and they sell Festool, but don't know too much about it. They know what we can call the "headlines" and nothing more. If you come with a specific question, they don't know, they sometimes try to look it up in the main catalogue, but don't find the answer. It would appear to me, that it takes experience with Festool, to answer propperly. It also takes experience with the types of work Festool products can do, to sell it.
One major dealer (and they sit on most of the market for delivering this to professionals in Denmark), don't know a thing about what they sell. They usually have one person in the shop who is supposed to know, and may have been trained in Festool, but either he's out, or he's in another branch that day, the next, or whatever. So you give up and ask in this great forum.
A local small dealer close to me, get's my shopping in Festool, because they usually know more, (they have many other brands too), they can compare also from experience, and they work their arms off to give you a propper answer. Plus they know that the net sells a lot, and they wan't to compeed with the internetshops who sell it cheaper than normal dealers AND give you a great service before and after the sale. I shop there, and only occasionally I go to a bigger dealer, if the small shop don't have a specific article at the shop, and have to order it home, which takes several weeks, as Festool Denamrk which is now in Sweeden is reacting very very slow. Apart from that I have been talking to that same company in Sweeden asking for specific items, and they are allways willing to answer, the problem is just that they have nothing to sell (via a dealer of course). They just chose to not have some items in stock, and will not have it. Otherwise they are fine.
Haven't had the need for repair, but I get the impression from others, that they are fine in that area.

When I go to my local Volkswagen dealer to get a small spare, even the absolute smallest one, I get it the same day, even from Germany, nicely packed, and allways with a smile, and a greeting like  "Godday Jacques, nice to see you, what can I help you with?" Propper tuned service organisation and not more expensive that Festool in their area, I must say.
I am not unsatisfied with Festool here in Denmark, it just seems as they could do a lot better for branding and selling their great tools, just with making sure, that their dealernet is actually doing what they want them to do, giving propper service. I think it would suit Festool a lot in making sure. It's a real pity that it doesn't happen.

It also appears to me that you american guys are very very fortunate in this area, as the rest of us can read on this very sitrem that they stand on their heads to make you all satisfied. Great for you and that's how it should be.
There is after all, a difference between Rolls and ching blong, likewise between Festool and royobi, skill etc. (no offence meant here).

What Festool need to know (also in the European countries like the Scandinavian ones) is, that this particular site and a few others makes up for festools lousy manuals, their lack of lnowledge at the dealerlevel, the slow deliverance of parts and accessories from dealers, and foremost the general impression of the brand Festool, which would be seriously lacking, if we had not had this community.
So thanks to all of you guys, you are the real festoolers!

Cheers and merry Christmas
Jacques.
 
I have a similar experience with dealers here in the UK. I used to go to one dealer, and the guy there was great. He didn't know everything about Festool, but was helpful & keen to learn. He had a great relationship with his customers. Unfortunately, he's now left that company. No one person took over the Festool role, and the company is (in my experience) pretty useless with Festool since.

I then went to another dealer local to me, and they knew nothing about Festool. I asked to speak to the 'Festool guy', and this surly looking guy appeared. I asked about the new jigsaws (this was just after the Carvex had been released here) and he pointed to the PS(B)300's on display & said "they're there". I said no, the new ones. "What new ones?" was the response.

Since then, I've just mainly bought online (only accessories; I haven't bought any new tools recently).

I've thought several times about starting up a company & becoming a Festool dealer, as I feel I could offer the level of service that Festool users deserve, and that's missing from the dealers in this area (the usual 'I could do it better' response!). Unfortunately I don't have the capital to do it. [crying]
 
I went to my dealer yesterday to get some stuff ready for Monday!  You know how I mentioned above about the CXS well I walked in and the first thing he said av you seen the the new CXS I was like I told you about that week ago. I was thinking why has he only just got the CXS in abit late really.

JMB
 
Here in Denmark, I suppose other places too, there are a number of brands, who made a shop specific for them, like Bang & Olufsen, Sony, etc. I know there are a lot more sale in tv, radio etc, but still it may give a clue to specialist knowledge and presentation of products. Not that Festool displays are bad at all, just the service in the shop may leave a lot to be desired. I just don't get why Festool does not react to that. Maybe they don't bother, as they will know they sell their great tools anyway.
If I saw a shop around here like Jonny speaks about, I would surely pick that. Then I wouldn't need to spend hours calling on the phone to a variety of Festool dealers to ask, if they have this or that, just to discover that maybe they don't have it, when I am finally there, or that they have, even if they told me no, by lack of knowledge.
I think a dealer should be in a position to tell me if Granat sandpaper is good for this and that, also by experience, and not look in a catalogue. I've done that from home anyway.
As I buy what I want anyway, and I am quite satisfied with their products, maybe it doesn't pay for Festool or dealers to interact more with their products and customers.
Time will tell.

Example: I have a friend who is a professional carpenter, and also does other remodeling/renovation projects. He uses a lot of tools, and now he is in Germany for a big project, which will take around a year.
He called me from a Festool shop (a major one as mentioned above in this thread who also sell many other brands), and asked me about this and that, and what to buy for his tasks. I had some recomandations as to machines, the system, and the materials like paper, bits etc. He could then ask the dealer specific questions about that and since the dealer couldn't answer, and I could, also in relation to other brands, he chose to spend some 7000$ for starting up Later he will complement what he bought.
I spoke to him a couple of times since then about using Festool, and he is totally satisfied, and will ask for other/more machines/solutions later on.
The point is that a knowledgable dealer could have got to know about this man and his need, and could have closed a very good deal, with a lot more to come, as his co-workers/employees will need it too. Had it not been for me, he would have chosen something else, (from another brand) he told me. Maybe Festool sell so much that they don't care? Personally I think they do, but somewhere in the food-chain it get's lost. And that is a puzzle to me at least.
Is it just me or?

Cheers and merry Christmas,
jacques.

 
Ah, okay. Please explain to me what I should understand  [big grin]

Cheers,
Jacques.
 
I dont understand why you think that a retail outlet that sells festools should be any different from any other retail outlet

poor product knowlege and sevice is endemic these days  [sad]
 
Hmm, I just thought that Festool try to educate their dealers very well into their programme.
Of course other brands may do too, but as Festool takes a premium related to other brands, it would be natural to think, that Festool takes pride in propper sales/aftersales/customer education. I know some other brands do that, and are very keen to uphold that as a salesfactor=super satisfied customers  [big grin]
How naive I am [crying] Silly me.

Cheers,
jacques  [wink]
 
Sorry Jacques if only everything was perfect , I waited two months for a reply to a email from Festool Uk.. when I bought my ets150 the dealer did not have any stock.. he did not bother to tell me though. Im not saying festool is any worse than anyone else.its life
and if you have a roof over your head and food in your stomach your ok..if you understand me [big grin]
 
Here's the crux of MY argument.

When I bought a BMW for R 299 000.00, it was delivered to my door, licensed and registered. The included a whole lot of little branded extra's, which I'm sure I paid for in the purchase price. A week later, I received a call to ask if I was satisfied with my car. When the time came, BMW called me to remind me that my car should be due for it's service soon, and so the service goes on.
This is all done for a possible once off sale. They might never see me again as I bought a good car that was not going to break down any time soon.

With Festool, I've spent around R 500 000.00 over the past eight years. The sevice I received from the start was ordinary but friendly. Dealer always keen to answer questions and find out any additional info I may have needed. But nothing special. Spares or consumables were not too difficult to come by.
In the last 18 months or so, it has become ridiculous. There is no service. I can only deduce, from my own investigations, that the dealers are unable to provide service as they themselves cannot get information from Festool SA. Read above for more info.

So my point is this. If a car company can spend so much effort to sell me a once off product, then why does Festool SA believe it does not need to do the same for me to ensure I come back and buy more? I would surely need to if I want to increase my Festool stable - which I did.
I found out yesterday that one end user just brought all his Festools back to the dealer to sell on his behalf and switched his entire powertool collection to another brand as he was fed up with Festool here in SA!

I'm starting to think the same way. Makita is way cheaper here and is progressing their product line much the same as Festool. My issue with this is that I will not get my investment back on all the Festools I have AND, I won't have a reason to carry on being a member of FOG. This make me incredibly sad and extremely angry that my I even have to consider this.
Festool SA has really gone down the wrong road here and I really regret that I was so naive to believe that they give a damn about their customers.
Is it possible that I made a bad business decision to invest in one product line for my company? I will now have to continue my fight with Festool SA or I will have answered my previous question for myself.

This whole issue leaves a bad taste in my mouth and just because poor service is the norm, does not mean, I have to accept it.
 
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