Festool "Dust collectors" i.e. Vacume cleaners

ward

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I'm curious how many people who actually use their Vac's on job-sites for clean up and floor finishing would not prefer 4 rotating swivel casters as posed to fixed rear wheels. I did not consider it a problem when my associate pointed out that 70% of the Vac's ( Milie included) have omni directional wheels which allow for far greater range of movement when vacuuming allot as i do The problems i had int he past with hose and wheel marking have all subsided with use but the darn thing is a pain to roll around a floor in multiple directions due to the fixed rear wheels. My Foreman wants to put it on a home depot moving dolly to resolve the issue. I don't imaging Festool changing their design.

Ps. Anyone else having problems with the stock (small diameter) AS hose kinking and clogging?

Thanks for the thoughtful feedback,

W

 
I don't do "on-site" as I'm Hobby/DIY, but what you're saying just resonated with me. I tend to run the big hose over the obvious chunky stuff, then I have an older upright Dyson that does the detail vacuuming.

I've been subconsciously aware of this problem and dealing with it ... without explicitly identifying it!

I don't think I've suffered the kinky hose though!

I'd be tempted to create a very low frame to go under the fixed wheels and have a couple of "outrigger" castors ... that way you could have a single strap over the top of the DC to keep it all together.
 
How interesting...I use an old drag along Dyson (DC 02) as my workshop cleanup vacuum machine. It is great but I do the big cleanups with either my 4" machine or my CTL26 first - a bit like Kev.

I understand the frustration of the castor/fixed wheel combination but I need the CTL to be braked when I am set up for a session - I wonder how much more complicated it would be to have a braking system on an all castor system.

I have managed to partially block a 27mm hose when being too lazy to put the 36mm hose on my OF2200. It only happened that one time and I have never had a hose kink.

Peter
 
Total non-issue for me. Cleaning works just fine the way the wheels are now. No idea what kind of cleaning you and your people do but the way it works for me is that I've got a long reach with the 3,5 meter hose so I can clean a pretty large area at once. When it's time to move to the next area I give a quick yank on the hose and the vac lines up in the right position.

My experience with 4 swivel caster vacs is that they are indeed a bit more maneuverable but also have a bigger tendency to fall over when you pull them by the hose. I don't seen any advantage in them over Festool's 2 fixed rear wheels.

I also know the wheel brake issue Peter talks about. Very important for me when I work outside on sidewalks that are not level. The brake on the Festool vacs is a big plus for me, though I liked it better on the CT22 than what's used for the 26 and the Mini. An older vac we had in the body shop way back had also brakes, but you had to engage it on every individual (4) swivel caster, which was a PITA.  
 
The wheels are a non issue for me. I like the wheel and brake set-up. The hoses are long enough not to have to worry about full wheel rotation.
However, I clog the 27mm all the time. Don't like that stupid hose at all. The hose never used to kink when it was younger, now that its older though it does tend to kink.
I still contend that Festool should change hose policy. Ship the little hose with the two little vacs, ship the big hose with the 2 big vacs. I do also have the big hose that I bought when I bought a Kapex. The big hose is pricey but the lack of annoyance makes up for it.
 
Holzhacker said:
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I still contend that Festool should change hose policy. Ship the little hose with the two little vacs, ship the big hose with the 2 big vacs. I do also have the big hose that I bought when I bought a Kapex. The big hose is pricey but the lack of annoyance makes up for it.

I fully agree with the hose policy bit...When I reviewed the CTL26 (I bought mine about a year ago) I said that I felt that Festool should either ship the 36mm hose with the tool, give the customer a choice or, as a very minimum, offer a sensible discount on the 36mm hose.

Peter
 
I think Festool's hose policy is like this because they mainly mean the vac to be a "dust extractor" used with a tool instead of a "vacuum cleaner" used to clean the floor. Only a couple of tools benefit from the 36mm hose while most only require the 27mm one.

The 27mm hose clogs on me too all the time when I clean the floor. A bit annoying indeed. But I prefer to travel light and most of the time that means I don't bring the 36mm hose along. In general, the 27mm hose suits me best. Since my vacs spend most  their time connected to tools, I prefer to use the lighter hose over the more cumbersome 36mm hose.
 
Thanks for all the useful feedback. It helps me understand  my local reps response as well as the guys in Germany who design the tools that explained the idea is to use the vac as a dolly more than a roll around vac. I may get a deal on some casters for the back of the 36 as the holes are there and the midi moves well due to it's small wheel base.

It's funny that more floor guys did not respond, it find the "dust extractors" the best Vacs made hands down and get a floor very very clean with the 36 mm hose leaving almost zero dust for my micro fiber tack mop. Clean floors make me look good and Festool rules, if only their hoses did not kink so much. I have to say that I personally do have significant "drag" and lateral movement in "pulling my DC by the hose (something I was taught never to do) but to get up and walk the vacuum to the new staging location. I work in 200-3000 sq. ft homes often cleaning the floor 3 times a day often to finish specifications and no other vacuum works as well but the cord location (on side on CT22) combined with the hose port ( a bit low) with those clunky back wheels ends up banging doorways and kitchen cabinets if i don't constantly move the hose and vac every 12 feet until I'm out of the kitchen, away from painted trimmed out doorways and other tools and walls.

Maybe i have a bad set of front casters but these babies do not roll any straighter than a relapsed alcoholic on his 5th drink of a binge. . .  maybe it 's the hardwood or the cords on the floor (it's very challenging to always
keep the cords away and behind the vac, especially if one has rolled it into a room that then you need to do a 180 and roll out of said room, ideally without stopping work to move the tool. . . 

Add a 16" buffer with another separate 15 amp cord (12 gauge) and the 7 meter AS hose and DC and it's a bit of a cluster F*^k.

I had 2 pacific steemex (and a quieter CENO that did not roll well because of large back wheels) that screamed loud and had a cheap 1.5"thin plastic coil  hose that collected dust like a magnet (and left it across the floor) i gratefully i sold to my General contractor that rolled like a cue ball on felt. . . as well as a bad bypass impeller and useless filter instead of a great bag that did not release clouds of toxic waste that dusted out the neighborhood or myself or my car or something that should have stayed clean(and lovely filter but I correctly knew that the CT22 (discontinued sold w/o hose garage), the "good" old days & my new CT36 would capture more dust, it just moves like a paraplegic with downs syndrome when i want it to follow me like my dog or at least like something i'm actually pulling gently in a straight line. . .

YES i love festool, but just like a dysfunctional parent i'ts OK to talk about it's perceived, experienced shortcomings, ideally so they will improve it. I don't believe it's heresy to point out differences in design and performance, The DC is a great dolly if you only use the old style systainers, but let's all attempt to respect each others experience and leave comments for those who have actually experienced such problems, rather than deny their existence, after all we are not trying to emulate Washington here. . . but share common experiences and solutions even if that is encouraging changes to a design that would sell more vac's, I mean, "dust collectors"

I actually made a point of asking people in the sales end of this business if these "Dust Collectors" would work well for flooring contractors and was Completely ASSURED that they would out perform anything i had used, and they have, except for these two issues, movement and  AS hose kinking with both the small and medium hose. I know I can do as much when i slow down, it's just i bought the sales pitch. . . What was it ?   

Ah yes, I recall, it's on my $15 dollar shirt I wear to work "Faster, Quicker, Easier. . ." NOT when vacuuming a finish sanded floor with $65,00 dollars of cabinets and appliances,and a vac that costs %30 more than my other supplier offers no it's jut as slow and moredifficult as the old vacs but quieter and more hose kinks until this gets resolved and i get some more nice grey Festool non anti static hoses that don't kink even when you tie them in knots!

They really are much more flexible and is it my  imagination or are they  lighter ? and i and live with the static between wood and felt and an excellently double insulated, grounded vacuum cleaner. I'm trying different home despot 4 wheel moving dolly's with OK results. to bad it looks so  lame. . . If I had a extra hundred bucks to play with i'd buy a Festool Dolly and put some plywood on it and take off the wheels and glue the baby to the dolly, I imagine it would roll like a formula one down the track, but my imagination and passion for FT has often led me to frustration due to unrealized expectations.

I will say there are some cool improvements coming down the line. I just hope i live to see them on"DC" and ETS 150. The best random orbital sander in the world when it works and the hose does not kink. I guess you jut gotta be down on the floor on your knees and working around those kicks , islands, toilets, and doors to experience what in store for you when you do a floor.
 
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