Festool Exo-Skeleton

I would love to try that, but I guess it's still a long way before something like that will fit me.

Seems heavily aimed towards long-reach planer use, understandable it coming from Festool. Just imagine something like that supporting legs as well, and then carrying building materials up or downstairs, or movers, (...) ... so many uses.

Kind regards,
Oliver
 
Hilti already have something similar, although their version is passive, using adjustable-tension springs and dampers so there are no motors, cabling or switchgear to fail. Yours for just $2200  [eek]

The local Hilti rep called by today to drop off some consumables I'd ordered, and he had one of these gadgets on his van. After I spotted it, he told me that the project to develop it had been 100% driven to reduce litigation against employers by what he described as 'lame, powder-puff wimps who shouldn't be working in construction'. The UK's insidious ambulance-chasing compensation culture is particularly driving sales, with larger contractors buying these things in bulk, and making the wearing of them mandatory for employees having to lift practically anything heavier than a two-pound bag of sugar above shoulder height. The argument is that any subsequent claim against them for RSI etc. can be successfully defended by the employer by proving every conceivable effort to make life easier for these chancers. The hammering in of a nail on every site in the UK now is accompanied by ludicrous piles of paperwork - method statements, CoSHH, HSE, datasheets, risk assessments and so on, all for the same reasons - a virtue-signalling arse-covering exercise for that eventual day in the courtroom. $2200 is a cheap option by comparison.

He also jokingly said that Hilti are also working on something to tuck these people up in bed and give them a goodnight kiss on the forehead.

Kevin
 
You're cracking me up, Kevin!  [thumbs up]  [big grin] [big grin]

woodbutcherbower said:
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He also jokingly said that Hilti are also working on something to tuck these people up in bed and give them a goodnight kiss on the forehead.

(...)

Now I hope my wife will never find this post  [scared] [scared]  [big grin] [wink], but I wouldn't mind if that "something" from Hilti came in form of these two:
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(No worries clicking, it's SFW and within Forum guidelines. I chose to post the link only, because of copyright issues.)

Kind regards,
Oliver
 
I don't think there is any disagreement in general that this technology has its place and can be useful & maybe even life saving in future.

What is questionable, when as described by Kevin's Hilti Rep, this technology is "forced" onto people purely on behalf of (company) lawyers to be better positioned in case of litigation against the employer.

Is it exciting? You bet!

Kind regards,
Oliver
 
allegedly lauching in 2023 (in Europe at least?)

 

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[member=1619]SRSemenza[/member] mino had posted something about the political history of his country which I planned to read it later but it has been deleted.
 
woodbutcherbower said:
Hilti already have something similar, although their version is passive, using adjustable-tension springs and dampers so there are no motors, cabling or switchgear to fail. Yours for just $2200  [eek]

The local Hilti rep called by today to drop off some consumables I'd ordered, and he had one of these gadgets on his van. After I spotted it, he told me that the project to develop it had been 100% driven to reduce litigation against employers by what he described as 'lame, powder-puff wimps who shouldn't be working in construction'. The UK's insidious ambulance-chasing compensation culture is particularly driving sales, with larger contractors buying these things in bulk, and making the wearing of them mandatory for employees having to lift practically anything heavier than a two-pound bag of sugar above shoulder height. The argument is that any subsequent claim against them for RSI etc. can be successfully defended by the employer by proving every conceivable effort to make life easier for these chancers. The hammering in of a nail on every site in the UK now is accompanied by ludicrous piles of paperwork - method statements, CoSHH, HSE, datasheets, risk assessments and so on, all for the same reasons - a virtue-signalling arse-covering exercise for that eventual day in the courtroom. $2200 is a cheap option by comparison.

He also jokingly said that Hilti are also working on something to tuck these people up in bed and give them a goodnight kiss on the forehead.

Kevin

You might find better...but you won't find more expensiver. LOL
 
The release is scheduled for sometime in October (in the Netherlands) and the price is expected to be around € 2500 euro's / $ 2700 US Dollar / £ 2200 UK Pound excluding tax/ vat.

The Systainer weighs 7.5 kilos and is easy to lift. The exoskeleton works by means of compressed air powered by an 18V battery


 
Ok, this thing is cool, but this image makes no sense. I use a Planex. What is she doing? I mean you will need this Exo-Skeleton if you are going to make that wall smooth. How about someone picking up a Kapex out of a van? Sheets of plywood. Drywall mud...

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I totally get that having one of these on hand and "available" to use (and nobody uses it) is an insurance policy.

I would not make fun of someone that needed this kind of solution due to wearing their body out from 30 years of real work.

 

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I think the point is to not wear out your body over 30 years.  No matter how light the Planex gets, the average human arm comprises 5-5.5% of your total body weight, so you're still holding over 10% of your body weight aloft for hours on end.  The Planex 2 is only around 5 kg, so more than 50% of the weight in holding up a Planex is actually a person's arms.

Above-shoulder-height (and especially overhead) tasks are one of the many big no-nos when it comes to safety and repetitive stress injuries.  Anything to lighten the load of working above shoulder height for hours at a time is an insurance plan not only for injury claims but also overall longevity of the person using the exoskeleton.

I'm also not sure if the exoskeleton was designed to aid nearly as much in lifting heavy objects if it was designed with a 5 kg tool plus 6 kg of arm weight in mind.
 
Exactly, the idea is to not wear out your body.

Can't count the many retired, old-school, tradesmen I know that suffer greatly from work related "illness" & wear on their bodies. Either because there was no PPE, the PPE was designed or bought by people that had no idea about the real needs and it was not practicable for the intended user, or it simply wasn't used because "no one" used it.

One guy, not even retired yet & still working, I have known for many years. Good guy, but never cared about PPE. A couple of years ago he was working on the other side of our street, had both knees in aid-bandages. When he worked for me not as long ago, still one knee in an aid-bandage and using knee protectors. And more recently now, he only drives tradesmen around that work on his behalf and makes trips to suppliers. Can't work on his knees anymore.

Especially carrying (heavy) loads on a regular base is often discussed in occupational health and safety. (In Germany, Hettinger table, for example.)

Obviously, PPE does not replace proper technique/ skilled use. ;)

Kind regards,
Oliver
 
squall_line said:
I think the point is to not wear out your body over 30 years.  No matter how light the Planex gets, the average human arm comprises 5-5.5% of your total body weight, so you're still holding over 10% of your body weight aloft for hours on end.  The Planex 2 is only around 5 kg, so more than 50% of the weight in holding up a Planex is actually a person's arms.

Above-shoulder-height (and especially overhead) tasks are one of the many big no-nos when it comes to safety and repetitive stress injuries.  Anything to lighten the load of working above shoulder height for hours at a time is an insurance plan not only for injury claims but also overall longevity of the person using the exoskeleton.

I'm also not sure if the exoskeleton was designed to aid nearly as much in lifting heavy objects if it was designed with a 5 kg tool plus 6 kg of arm weight in mind.

Actually, the Planex 2 sticks to the ceiling with a CT36. I can literally let go and the vacuum holds it to the ceiling when its running. I don't find it takes much effort. Mirka is better on walls with the way the head pivots. You can also use the pole that mounts in the harness taking most of the weight off your arms and shoulders for ceiling work.

I think the exo is cool and I would not be critical of someone that needs or wants to use one. Especially someone who has been in the trades a long time and wants to continue. Lets not change the meaning of my point. 

 
I would have fun wrestling bears in this suit but thats about it. If I had to haul bags/lift heavy objects most the day, I could see a use. I think it is a good idea as some have noted how hard certain work is on the body.
 
I just saw this video on it:

And visions of Matt Damon in Elysium are dancing in my head.
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Not for me. When the Ellen Ripley version becomes available, however, you'll have my attention .......

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