FESTOOL HAUL! I got the tpc instead of Hilti Nuron

[Gerald Yang]

got my new tools, I sold almost everything in my garage, drills, Dewalt track saw, etc.
I wasn't sure about getting tid-tpc or the new Hilti Nuron, the TPC is even bigger than I thought, I was expecting it going to be big, but this is huge.

I did end up getting the tid-tpc cuz I decided to get the cordless tsc55 instead ts55, so I can use the two 4ah batteries to run the saw. I don't like the "old" 5.2ah batteries cuz they use 18650 cells instead of 21700.

I didn't buy the domino tenon set cuz I know a guy can get me one brand new for half the price. And I didn't get the 6-inch pad and sandpaper for the same reason.

so many cables, I noticed I can just use the OF1400 power cable for all corded tools, but not the other way due to the cutout.

Here is what I got:
OF1400 with fence and rail guide
MIDI I with cleaning kit
Domono 500 Q set with a bag of 5mm dominos
ETS EC 125 with a box of 125 sandpapers
TID-TPC set
TSC55 ordered from leevalley shipping to home cuz Atlas doesn't have it.

[attachimg=1][attachimg=2]Really thanks Bordie helping me out in Atlas Tools, they do have the most stock available like they said, this is valuable in this time.

just wanna say, the Festool price is ok for some parts, but sometimes it is so overpriced even for Festool, like the LR32 kit, I am not paying 800+just for this. 
And the fact that OF1400 did not come with a fence or guide is ridiculous, they just give you two empty rods but there is nothing you can attach to it in the box if you just get the OF1400, you have to buy the fence for extra 130 dollars which is sad. They even give you a empty space for the fence!!

 

[mino]

For the LR32 kit, you just need the slider. Then just use a parallel guide system of your choice to position the rail and off you go.

The full LR32 kit includes expensive bits and other parts which you would already have provided in the other ways and is not discounted all that much compared to getting the bits and pieces of it standalone.

On the 4.0 HP batteries. They are good. But they are 5-cell while the 5.2s are 10-cell. The 5.2 and 6.2 batteries are stronger than the 4.0 HP ones which are stronger than the (now unavailable) 3.1 ones.

The 5-cell 4.0 HP ones give about 1.6x the peak current of the (old) 3.1 5-cell ones. That is still a bit less than the 5.2 or 6.2 batteries provide. But close-enough.

You can think of the 4.0 as the optimal for TPC and "good enough" for the TSC. So still a good choice for you.

If you did not already, do take a heavy look at the TSO products - their GRS square and the Parallel Guides system. Expensive, but both are game changers in what you can do with the TSC.

 

[woodbutcherbower]

Cuz ??

Thanks for not taking a few seconds out of your day to reply to the helpful guys who responded to your request for advice on your previous post. Manners, humility and a little gratitude all cost nothing - life will take on a whole new meaning when you decide to remember that.

Have a nice day.

 

[Gerald Yang]

Cuz ??

Thanks for not taking a few seconds out of your day to reply to the helpful guys who responded to your request for advice on your previous post. Manners, humility and a little gratitude all cost nothing - life will take on a whole new meaning when you decide to remember that.

Have a nice day.

Don't guilt-trip me.

Today is my first day checking out these tools in-person instead of from videos, holding the tools in my hands instead of in someone's hands. I don't have a place to check Festool in my small town, I have to go to Toronto which is 1 and half hours driving. We got a leevally but always nothing in stock.

I don't wanna make excuses by telling you how busy I am or how excited I am to check out these tools in-person for first time, but you gotta understand not everyone lives in a big city and have a store nearby and carry Festools.

I did read all the commons today morning while I'm driving but didn't get the time to reply, that was my bad, instead of posting the new one, I should reply and thank all the people who helped me.

Your accusation really works well though, I do feel really bad now. Congratz

Nice day

 

[Gerald Yang]

For the LR32 kit, you just need the slider. Then just use a parallel guide system of your choice to position the rail and off you go.

If you did not already, do take a heavy look at the TSO products - their GRS square and the Parallel Guides system. Expensive, but both are game changers in what you can do with the TSC.

by the slider , do you mean the "guild stop"thing ? or the edge guide? I got both but not sure how to use with LR32  to get precise holes.

what do you think about the rail guide kit 577157? this looks not so overpriced for what they do, plus it comes with two clamps which gonna help.

 

[tomktest]

Congrats on the new toys. I absolutely love my TSC 55 K. Cut a bunch of melamine shelving last week and had flawless results on both sides of the cut.

How is that TID? I’m still eyeing up that set even though neither would be a daily driver. 

 

[Gerald Yang]

Congrats on the new toys. I absolutely love my TSC 55 K. Cut a bunch of melamine shelving last week and had flawless results on both sides of the cut.

How is that TID? I’m still eyeing up that set even though neither would be a daily driver.

Thanks for sharing the experience for tsc55, do you use 5.2ah battery or 4.0ah? Do you think there are any difference?

Hmmm, tid is okay I guess, I don’t see any special about it, feels ok in my hand, but all dewalt makita and Milwaukee are good also.

The tpc only is 719, the kit with tid is 779, so I guess for $60 get a impact is not a bad deal. I still love my surge more.

 

[mino]

For the LR32 kit, you just need the slider. Then just use a parallel guide system of your choice to position the rail and off you go.

If you did not already, do take a heavy look at the TSO products - their GRS square and the Parallel Guides system. Expensive, but both are game changers in what you can do with the TSC.

by the slider , do you mean the "guild stop"thing ? or the edge guide? I got both but not sure how to use with LR32  to get precise holes.

what do you think about the rail guide kit 577157? this looks not so overpriced for what they do, plus it comes with two clamps which gonna help.

This one:
https://www.festool.de/zubehoer/494340---fp-lr-32

I would also advise to get the Festool bits for it - they are excellent and the price is well justified. They have 3/5/6/8/10 versions. Normally you want sizes 3 and 5 for pins and 8 for dowels.
https://www.festool.de/suchergebnisseite?keyword=D%C3%BCbelbohrer

I have the minimal set, per below, and while the accessories are useful, the key star is the slide. When have the slide you can use various methods to position the rail - TSO parallel guide would be my choice, but there are a myriad ways to do it. The Festool attachements sold with the slide are good. But far from the cheapest or the most efficient way to position the rail.
Ref:https://www.festool.de/zubehoer/583290---lr-32-set

 

[tomktest]

Congrats on the new toys. I absolutely love my TSC 55 K. Cut a bunch of melamine shelving last week and had flawless results on both sides of the cut.

How is that TID? I’m still eyeing up that set even though neither would be a daily driver.

Thanks for sharing the experience for tsc55, do you use 5.2ah battery or 4.0ah? Do you think there are any difference?

Hmmm, tid is okay I guess, I don’t see any special about it, feels ok in my hand, but all dewalt makita and Milwaukee are good also.

The tpc only is 719, the kit with tid is 779, so I guess for $60 get a impact is not a bad deal. I still love my surge more.

I ended up getting the TSC 55k kit with the 5.2 batteries since I didn't have any. I do plan on looking at the carvex and the vecturo in the future however the 5.2 ah is too big for those tools IMO. That is one of the reasons I was looking into that TID/TPC set since I need to have a big drill around for hole saws, augers, mixing, etc and it comes with the 4.0 batteries I could use with the vecturo and carvex. I really don't like having large batteries on my tools if at all possible. The largest DeWalt battery I own is a 3.0 with the 27170's. I have two 5.0 M18 batteries that I never use. I think you'll be just fine with the 4.0 batteries you'll just not have quite as much runtime.

 

[Gerald Yang]

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I ended up getting the TSC 55k kit with the 5.2 batteries since I didn't have any. I do plan on looking at the carvex and the vecturo in the future however the 5.2 ah is too big for those tools IMO. That is one of the reasons I was looking into that TID/TPC set since I need to have a big drill around for hole saws, augers, mixing, etc and it comes with the 4.0 batteries I could use with the vecturo and carvex. I really don't like having large batteries on my tools if at all possible. The largest DeWalt battery I own is a 3.0 with the 27170's. I have two 5.0 M18 batteries that I never use. I think you'll be just fine with the 4.0 batteries you'll just not have quite as much runtime.
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same to me, the 5.2ah battery is just TOO big for me, and also older and uses 18650cells instead of 21700 cells. I heard the new 8.0ah is coming out in near future, with the cordless kapex and vacuum. I am assuming that the new 8.0ah battery gonna be similar size with the old 5.2ah ones, or just slightly bigger.

 

[mino]

same to me, the 5.2ah battery is just TOO big for me, and also older and uses 18650cells instead of 21700 cells.
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Just to put some straight here. There is nothing "old" about the 5.2 batteries. These are continuously being manufactured new batteries.

Also, there is nothing old/new with 18650 and 21700 battery sizes. These are just different sizes of the same thing in the same way a 2 pound hammer is not "older" than a 3 pound hammer is. It is still a hammer and how good it is depends on the steel in use and not its size.

The 21700 is aboutr 35% bigger over 18650 which allows about 40% more "filling" once you subtract the shell and hence 40% more current and capacity with the same technology.
They only "advantage" from the cell size is that with a bigger cylinder the shell-area-to-volume ratio is better so you get about 2% better capacity-weight ratio from the relatively lighter metal shell.

Thats is not why power tool companies started adopting the bigger cells though. Instead what happened is that the LiIon technology improvements have started to taper out, so the only way to increase the capacity and power of packs is by using either bigger cells, or more of them. And here the 21700s started making sense - when you need 15 cells you can -mostly- get by with 10 bigger cells which will be a few % smaller package at same cost, then you take the savings and run with them.

Now, Festool choose to also change the battery type while at it - the 4.0 HP use higher current cells, which combined with the 40% boost from size allows them to reach the currents needed for a TSC type tool. The 5.2 batteries do not need these cells, as having twice the cells, they still can do more current than a TSC needs or the 4.0 ones can do.
What that means in practice is the 4.0 HP cells are more taxed in heavy load us and are likely to survive less cycles than the 5.2 or 6.2 packs will. The true "upgrade" for the 5.2/6.2 packs would only be the 8.0 ones. These will again be heavier in turn, so ..

Long storyy short, there is nothing better/worse between the various Festool packs beyond their physical sizes and external capabilities: 3.1(now EOL) < 4.0 HP < 5.2/6.2 < (expected 8.0 HP) in size, capacity and power. The only distinction is that the 6.2 is entirely better than 5.2 - it is just about better cells there at same size/weight.

 

[Gerald Yang]

same to me, the 5.2ah battery is just TOO big for me, and also older and uses 18650cells instead of 21700 cells.
...

Just to put some straight here. There is nothing "old" about the 5.2 batteries. These are continuously being manufactured new batteries.

Also, there is nothing old/new with 18650 and 21700 battery sizes. These are just different sizes of the same thing in the same way a 2 pound hammer is not "older" than a 3 pound hammer is. It is still a hammer and how good it is depends on the steel in use and not its size.

The 21700 is aboutr 35% bigger over 18650 which allows about 40% more "filling" once you subtract the shell and hence 40% more current and capacity with the same technology.
They only "advantage" from the cell size is that with a bigger cylinder the shell-area-to-volume ratio is better so you get about 2% better capacity-weight ratio from the relatively lighter metal shell.

Thats is not why power tool companies started adopting the bigger cells though. Instead what happened is that the LiIon technology improvements have started to taper out, so the only way to increase the capacity and power of packs is by using either bigger cells, or more of them. And here the 21700s started making sense - when you need 15 cells you can -mostly- get by with 10 bigger cells which will be a few % smaller package at same cost, then you take the savings and run with them.

Now, Festool choose to also change the battery type while at it - the 4.0 HP use higher current cells, which combined with the 40% boost from size allows them to reach the currents needed for a TSC type tool. The 5.2 batteries do not need these cells, as having twice the cells, they still can do more current than a TSC needs or the 4.0 ones can do.
What that means in practice is the 4.0 HP cells are more taxed in heavy load us and are likely to survive less cycles than the 5.2 or 6.2 packs will. The true "upgrade" for the 5.2/6.2 packs would only be the 8.0 ones. These will again be heavier in turn, so ..

Long storyy short, there is nothing better/worse between the various Festool packs beyond their physical sizes and external capabilities: 3.1(now EOL) < 4.0 HP < 5.2/6.2 < (expected 8.0 HP) in size, capacity and power. The only distinction is that the 6.2 is entirely better than 5.2 - it is just about better cells there at same size/weight.

from your post, I kinda feel like I need to get that tsc55 with two 5.2ah battery combo instead of the body-only option now. I was kinda on the edge of getting the tsc55 or tsc55 with batteries, cuz the only two 4ah batteries do looks not that enough since the saw gonna take both of them. But on another hand, 649 vs 909, for a $260 difference getting two batteries is not that a deal to me. And consider maybe there gonna be a cordless kapex coming, maybe they will have the 8-ah batteries combo?

5.2ah is just too bulky for any handheld tools, for the kapex, tsc or vac they are fine. maybe I can getaway with 4.0 for now, and wait for kapex and see, like some people said, don't rush it, take it slow

 

[mino]

For a pro/commercial use I would not go with 4.0 for the TSC. But for Hobby/occasional use, they are absolutely fine.

That is why Festool swapped the "small" battery from 3.1 to 4.0 with bigger cells. They wanted to ensure even their smallest battery can run all their tools.

Unless you are ripping meters and meters with it daily, the 4.0 bats are IMO a better option as they are better for drills etc. and still powerfull enough for the bigger tools.

It is always a compromise - power means weight/bulk. And so you want only as much power as needed to minimise the bulk.