Festool is (partially) moving to imperial in North America

Interesting. Festool is now advertizing their 1400mm guide rail as a 55" Guide rail. It proves my point that Imperial is dead and the the US works with nominal sizes when it comes to lumber. In order to stay competitive and be able to sell lumber outside the US, lumber is produced to actual metric sizes but sold with nominal dimensions on the label. The rails are actually 1400mm long and close to 54 7/8".
A 1/2", plus the thickness of the guide rail ( which is metric sized ) setting on the saw,  will not give you a 1/2" plunge. The Imperial tools will be less accurate then the metric ones.

What happens when the Domino goes imperial and the stop manufacturing metric sized Dominos. Could become and expensive upgrade in the future if they choose to do this and you need to replace your cutters to fit imperial dominos.

My 2 cents.
JC

 
Thread summary:

"I've been using silkscreened scales on mass-produced power tools under the impression that they were capable of offering machinist-level accuracy my entire life and all those clowns have been wasting their money on mills with DRO scales because they weren't as cool as me. I'm done with Festool!"

"Hey guys, did you hear? I'm done with Festool!"

"No really, I mean it. I'm done. Festool's totally off my radar now."

"Any day now I'm going to be done with Festool and get on with my life. Just you wait."

"For serious bro, me and Festool? Splitsville."

"Why isn't anyone taking me seriously? I hope I get hit by a car so Festool will really be sorry!"

"If Festool is elected president I'm totally moving to Canada. No joke. It's going to happen."

*texts friends*

"Hey guys did you hear about that one guy who's done with Festool? Well I know him personally and he really means it. I'm done with Festool as well."

 
Wauw so it really happened, I don't know really what to think about this hmm. I'm metric here, I guess we have to convert everything we say on the fog to imperial now if we want to be sure it's understood...I'll foot the bill, he was inches a way from taking a leap into the nowhere . I think if I keep talking nonsense I'll have to make a fifty yard dash to escape the mob of mectricians that would beat me to within 25.4mm's of my life..
 
Shane Holland said:
I've had some inquiries about the metric versions, which WILL BE DISCONTINUED. We have stock and will continue to offer the metric versions as long as Festool has inventory.
Does that mean the DISCONTINUED metric versions are now going on SALE?
 
Peter_C said:
Does that mean the DISCONTINUED metric versions are now going on SALE?

[member=50292]Peter_C[/member], Festool has not indicated that the metric versions will be excluded from catalog pricing at this time. IF it happens, I suspect it will not happen for several months and by then most dealers will be sold out.
 
Michael Kellough said:
Has Festool told dealers they can not re-stock metric only versions of the affected tools?

[member=297]Michael Kellough[/member], the communication was that metric tools would basically run out at some point and no longer be offered.

Of course, only Festool knows their inventory on hand and the rate at which the tools are selling out. So, not ETA on when this will happen.

We are committed to offering metric tools for as long as possible to our customers to give them the option of metric or imperial.

Shane
 
Shane Holland said:
Peter_C said:
Does that mean the DISCONTINUED metric versions are now going on SALE?

[member=50292]Peter_C[/member], Festool has not indicated that the metric versions will be excluded from catalog pricing at this time. IF it happens, I suspect it will not happen for several months and by then most dealers will be sold out.
Now that is straight up greed knowing they can sell out fairly quickly. As we all know in the past they quickly put discontinued items on sale, often for almost 1/2 price. My OF2000 router is a perfect example.

Thanks for the reply Shane. Let us know if you can sell at a discounted price please.
 
Peter_C said:
Shane Holland said:
Peter_C said:
Does that mean the DISCONTINUED metric versions are now going on SALE?

[member=50292]Peter_C[/member], Festool has not indicated that the metric versions will be excluded from catalog pricing at this time. IF it happens, I suspect it will not happen for several months and by then most dealers will be sold out.
Now that is straight up greed knowing they can sell out fairly quickly. As we all know in the past they quickly put discontinued items on sale, often for almost 1/2 price. My OF2000 router is a perfect example.

Thanks for the reply Shane. Let us know if you can sell at a discounted price please.

Greed on whose part?

Scarcity increases value so I think it's admirable if dealers sell their remaining stock of metric tools at list price instead of increasing the price.
 
Michael Kellough said:
Peter_C said:
Shane Holland said:
Peter_C said:
Does that mean the DISCONTINUED metric versions are now going on SALE?

[member=50292]Peter_C[/member], Festool has not indicated that the metric versions will be excluded from catalog pricing at this time. IF it happens, I suspect it will not happen for several months and by then most dealers will be sold out.
Now that is straight up greed knowing they can sell out fairly quickly. As we all know in the past they quickly put discontinued items on sale, often for almost 1/2 price. My OF2000 router is a perfect example.

Thanks for the reply Shane. Let us know if you can sell at a discounted price please.

Greed on whose part?

Scarcity increases value so I think it's admirable if dealers sell their remaining stock of metric tools at list price instead of increasing the price.

I believe he's making the point that ordinarily when tools are discontinued the are discounted, it's not down to the dealers but Festool's stringent pricing policy.

But because these tools aren't really being discontinued in the strictest sense, just crudely modified enough to market them as imperial, Festool are being a little greedy in a) not continuing with both metric and imperial or b) giving those an opportunity/enabling them to get the metric tools they might have had on their medium term wish list at a more accessible price whilst they're still around at.
 
I’m back from Festool HQ in Germany, and I have some updates and answers. We had several conversations about the imperial change and much of your feedback was part of those discussions.

While we’re still committed to moving to imperial – it’s the US standard used by the overwhelming majority of craftsmen here – we appreciate that we’ve spent years asking you to invest in Festool, which required an investment in metric. Therefore, we’re going to make a few adjustments.

Last week we made two adjustments to our imperial change:

1. In addition to offering to convert existing metric tools to imperial, we will also provide options to convert new imperial tools back to metric. No, we won’t be selling tools in both metric and imperial, but you’ll be able to retrofit them in either direction.
2. The Parallel Side Fence and Parallel Guide Extension will be available for purchase in your choice of imperial or metric. Essentially, this means that the imperial accessories will be offered as new products, and we won’t be discontinuing the old ones.

Here are some tool-by-tool details:

ROUTERS
OF 1010 EQ, OF 1400 EQ, OF 2200

Changes
The depth scale is a metal strip. This will now be in imperial.

But the micro-adjustment is still calibrated for metric. Doesn’t this kind of suck?
Once you’re at the point of making micro-adjustments, very few people are actually measuring out – for example – 3/10 of a mm. Philosophically, is it inconsistent for it to be in metric? Sure. Practically, does it affect how most people use the tool? No.

Converting existing metric tools to imperial
If you already have one of the affected routers and would prefer it in imperial, we’ll send you a new depth scale free of charge. (We’ll have an online form shortly.)

Converting new imperial tools to metric
The same as the above answer … but in reverse. We’ll send you the scale, and you can apply it yourself.

TRACK SAWS & PLANERS
TS 55, TS 75, TSC 55, HL 850

Changes
The depth scale is actually built into the machine. With the track saws, it is on the casing. With the planer, it’s on the scale window.

Converting existing metric tools to imperial
Affected track saws and planers can be mailed in, because the tools need to be disassembled in order to replace the scale. There is a charge of $75 (US) or $85 (CAN). This price excludes tax but includes shipping.

Converting new imperial tools to imperial
The same as the above answer … but in reverse. It will be the same process and price to convert an imperial TS 55, TS 75, TSC 55 or HL 850 to metric.

PARALLEL GUIDE ACCESSORIES
The Parallel Side Fence and Parallel Guide Extension will be available to purchase in both imperial and metric.

A FEW OTHER QUESTIONS
Q. Imperial drill bits and Imperial router bits? (from [member=49013]clark_fork[/member])
A. No. Those will stay as is for now.

Q. Why didn't Festool pursue a dual scale strategy where ever possible? (from [member=4834]PaulG[/member])
A. If by dual-scale, you mean having both imperial and metric on the same scale, that would have led to additional confusion. Having two scales on one tool might sound like a good idea, but it would be confusing, cluttered and difficult to use in practice.

Q. The Kapex UG extensions are currently sold with metric scale . Will we see a change over to imperial ? (from [member=1812]Eoj[/member])
A. Yes, this will eventually move to imperial as well. This change will likely happen within the next year.
 
Michael Kellough said:
Peter_C said:
Shane Holland said:
Peter_C said:
Does that mean the DISCONTINUED metric versions are now going on SALE?

[member=50292]Peter_C[/member], Festool has not indicated that the metric versions will be excluded from catalog pricing at this time. IF it happens, I suspect it will not happen for several months and by then most dealers will be sold out.
Now that is straight up greed knowing they can sell out fairly quickly. As we all know in the past they quickly put discontinued items on sale, often for almost 1/2 price. My OF2000 router is a perfect example.

Thanks for the reply Shane. Let us know if you can sell at a discounted price please.

Greed on whose part?

Scarcity increases value so I think it's admirable if dealers sell their remaining stock of metric tools at list price instead of increasing the price.

Dealers were given the opportunity to get additional discounts from Festool, by increasing the size of their order for the remaining metric models.  That means those dealers who took Festool up on the discount offer, are in fact already getting a larger margin of profit than they did in the past.  What would have been admirable was if the dealers/Festool had then passed the savings on to their customers, although I suspect that policy would have been abused, with the discounted tools ending up on Ebay at some point.

While I like the metric system, and prefer the metric scale on my tools, I don't think Festool will have any problem selling imperial versions to the many customers who, for one reason or another, prefer imperial.  The dealer who shared the information regarding the discount program with me, declined to participate for that very reason.

Of course, it does mean that if you want the metric versions, now is the time to buy (unless you don't mind paying the $75.00 fee later). 

 
[member=57769]TylerC[/member] glad to see some sense is returning. Does this translate into people being able to effectively order a metric tool from Festool, or will it need to be shipped three or four times to get a metric scale on a new imperial labelled tool?

(Festool to dealer >> dealer to customer >> customer to service >> service to customer)
 
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Dealers were given the opportunity to get additional discounts from Festool, by increasing the size of their order for the remaining metric models.  That means those dealers who took Festool up on the discount offer, are in fact already getting a larger margin of profit than they did in the past.  What would have been admirable was if the dealers/Festool had then passed the savings on to their customers.
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Where did you see this? I just called my local store to reserve a metric TS75. I wasn't going to purchase it this soon, but decided to go ahead before the change. As long as the quality of the tools remains better than the competition, I will still purchase Festool. However, I would prefer them to be metric.
 
I'm not too fused about the whole Imperial / Metric issue I have bigger problems...

What I need is a scale for the TS55 for when I'm doing 45 degree cuts, when constantly cutting at 45 degree in different thickness materials I need to accurately set the depth of the blade but the standard scale doesn't work because of the angle of the blade. [scared]

When will you be making me a scale for this and will tool come with it or do I have to put a sticker on it?  [big grin] [big grin] [big grin]
 
Kev said:
[member=57769]TylerC[/member] glad to see some sense is returning. Does this translate into people being able to effectively order a metric tool from Festool, or will it need to be shipped three or four times to get a metric scale on a new imperial labelled tool?

(Festool to dealer >> dealer to customer >> customer to service >> service to customer)

At this point, there will be only imperial versions that can be retrofitted to metric. It's not going to be sold as two separate items. For routers, the tools don't need to be shipped to us. We'll just send you the scale for you to add yourself.

That said, the numbers could change things. If few people choose to have their tools converted to metric, we'll probably keep with the new/current plan. If there proves to be significant demand for metric tools, it's possible that we'll offer both. (This last paragraph is pure speculation on my part. Not really an official position.)
 
What's confusing about dual scale? Most in the uk have been using them since metrication was phased in from 1965- 1975. I work on sites most days with most guys working in metric, a few in imperial and the one who uses both sometimes on the same measurement ( 457mm x 17 and 5/8s ) which is bonkers. Most of my work site tapes are dual scale although I work exclusively in metric. All my shop tapes are metric only where all my machines are metric. 
 

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