For those about to RO90

FWIW, the RO 90 I bought last weekend came with a nice sample pack of abrasives (in both round and delta). I'll consider myself lucky... and also agree with Julie that the sample packs really add to the initial purchase experience... as well as giving direction for future consumable purchases.

I'm really surprised it's not standard
 
I think Festool had recently introduced Granat when I bought my RO90, because it came with a nice little selection of it.  No other type, but once I started using it, it didn't matter - I liked it much better than the other papers I had for my RO150.  Who knows if I ever would have tried it otherwise, but now it's pretty much the only paper I get.  I don't know if their intent was to introduce people to Granat, allow people to get started with the RO90 out of the box, or what, but it was a really nice "bonus".  Yay for Festool, or the dealer, whoever put those in the systainer.

My ETS150 came with no abrasives (or maybe a sheet or two) a few months later.  Kind of a bummer, but since I already had plenty of pads around from my RO150, not that big a deal.  Still, I felt a little let down after my RO90 experience.

It would be nice if the buying experience was consistent - do you get a sample pack of abrasives or not?  Doesn't matter to me anymore, since I don't expect another sander purchase, but for a first-time buyer, it can leave an impression.  "Oh, how nice!" or "Where are the abrasives everyone talks about getting?"  If the Granat came with the RO90 as an introduction of the paper, it would have been nice if they had said so - "limited time offer" or little flyer in the package.  It raised expectations for my next purchase.

    Scott
 
Makes me smile [big grin] that we've downgraded from a Ferrari to a Mercedes ... you can but a high end Mercedes at the same price as a Ferrari - a high spec Mercedes is still a luxury vehicle. If we talk about a sports utility SUV?? v's a Kenworth prime mover does the same apply?

I also believe that demanding customers ruin it for everyone - rational and realistic customers that allow the channel to make a viable profit, but still hold suppliers and manufactures responsible for service and value are the ones that truly help.

Prior to a purchase you have the ability to ask as many questions as you desire. Complaining about what you didn't get after a purchase doesn't make a lot of sense.
 
Julie.
Had a thought that bothers me.
I hope "I'm done" doesn't apply to FOG generally - as opposed to this particular thread.
Have enjoyed reading your posts, looking at the good photo's etc.

Richard
 
fuzzy logic said:
Julie.
Had a thought that bothers me.
I hope "I'm done" doesn't apply to FOG generally - as opposed to this particular thread.
Have enjoyed reading your posts, looking at the good photo's etc.

Richard

No Richard, I'm not leaving.  Just done with the "what should be included" thing.  My father always went for quality and always had high expectations of quality products.  His take was that demanding customers keep the company on their toes which results in the customer getting a better product with better service.  Accept whatever they give you and that's all you'll ever get.  I've found that pretty much to be true, but there's always exceptions.  I guess we each have our own take on that.  Now I'm really done.  [big grin]

Back to the topic... I'm finding the more I use the RO 90, the better I like it.  For this face frame job, it's almost perfect.  A round pad a touch larger would help getting into inside corners, I know that's what the delta attachment is for but I get lazy.  And an ETS type action would make it a "one stop" tool for detail work.  Even as you work to finer grade abrasives, the Rotex action is a bit too aggressive for finish sanding.  I'm coming back with the ETS 125 for final sanding.

A side note:
Yesterday I had to do some redesigning of the wall oven cabinet.  The top cabinet stiles were 3-1/4" wide and needed to be 1-5/8" wide in order for the hinges I bought to work.  The old doors had surface mount hinges. The hinges I have are all face frame mounted.  So I had to cut the stile back for the top doors.

It was a tight area to work in with a soffit above and the oven below. On one side was a wall, the other side the refrigerator.
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I clamped the cutouts back in place so you can see what I started with.
 
Mentally, I went through my tool inventory to figure out the best way to make the cuts with the least mess and best result. My only Festools are sanders.  I finally settled on a Kataba saw for the top and bottom crosscuts and a jigsaw for the rips.  I didn't have a little plunge saw. The smallest circular saw I have is a 6" and I thought that would make too big a mess.  I was wishing I had a Carvex.

So I did the crosscuts, top and bottom.  That went fine.  I toyed with taking a taking a Dozuki saw and trying to work it into the cut line but lack of patience and technique talked me out of it.  So I took out my Bosch jigsaw and rummaged through the blades.  It doesn't get used a lot because I'm a precision nut and my blade selection is kind of lacking.  I picked out the best blade I could find and began making the first cut.  Tiny dust chips were flying everywhere!  I tried to figure out a way to connect the CT hose to it but couldn't.  So I went back to cutting.

Then it was time to clean up the mess. Chips were on the cooktop, wedged in the handle of the oven, on top of the frig and in the grooves of the seal, they were everywhere. I even found them around the corner, on the other side of the refrigerator!  I spent over 30 minutes cleaning up the mess.  Then I took a shower because they were stuck to my skin and deep in my hair.  This morning I came down to the kitchen.  With the sun shining in I could see even more dust and chips.  And I spent another 20 minutes cleaning that up.  So for this 10 minute job, it became an hour job after clean up.

Those who have never experienced the Festool dust collection efficiency might consider this substantial cleanup just part of the work.  To me it's avoidable, you just have to have the right tools.  Festool's dust collection is the star of their tool technology, IMHO.  Whether it's in my kitchen or in my shop, I don't want to spend a lot of time cleaning up.  And since my shop is in the basement, collecting everything I can at the source keeps the dust out of the house... and out of my lungs.  Efficient dust collection is why I love Festool.  Do I sound like a commercial?  [huh]
 
Julie Moriarty said:
fuzzy logic said:
Julie.
Had a thought that bothers me.
I hope "I'm done" doesn't apply to FOG generally - as opposed to this particular thread.
Have enjoyed reading your posts, looking at the good photo's etc.

Richard

No Richard, I'm not leaving.  Just done with the "what should be included" thing.  My father always went for quality and always had high expectations of quality products.  His take was that demanding customers keep the company on their toes which results in the customer getting a better product with better service.  Accept whatever they give you and that's all you'll ever get.  I've found that pretty much to be true, but there's always exceptions.  I guess we each have our own take on that.  Now I'm really done.  [big grin]

Back to the topic... I'm finding the more I use the RO 90, the better I like it.  For this face frame job, it's almost perfect.  A round pad a touch larger would help getting into inside corners, I know that's what the delta attachment is for but I get lazy.  And an ETS type action would make it a "one stop" tool for detail work.  Even as you work to finer grade abrasives, the Rotex action is a bit too aggressive for finish sanding.  I'm coming back with the ETS 125 for final sanding.

A side note:
Yesterday I had to do some redesigning of the wall oven cabinet.  The top cabinet stiles were 3-1/4" wide and needed to be 1-5/8" wide in order for the hinges I bought to work.  The old doors had surface mount hinges. The hinges I have are all face frame mounted.  So I had to cut the stile back for the top doors.

It was a tight area to work in with a soffit above and the oven below. On one side was a wall, the other side the refrigerator.
tightcut_zps9e13c699.jpg

I clamped the cutouts back in place so you can see what I started with.
 
Mentally, I went through my tool inventory to figure out the best way to make the cuts with the least mess and best result. My only Festools are sanders.  I finally settled on a Kataba saw for the top and bottom crosscuts and a jigsaw for the rips.  I didn't have a little plunge saw. The smallest circular saw I have is a 6" and I thought that would make too big a mess.  I was wishing I had a Carvex.

So I did the crosscuts, top and bottom.  That went fine.  I toyed with taking a taking a Dozuki saw and trying to work it into the cut line but lack of patience and technique talked me out of it.  So I took out my Bosch jigsaw and rummaged through the blades.  It doesn't get used a lot because I'm a precision nut and my blade selection is kind of lacking.  I picked out the best blade I could find and began making the first cut.  Tiny dust chips were flying everywhere!  I tried to figure out a way to connect the CT hose to it but couldn't.  So I went back to cutting.

Then it was time to clean up the mess. Chips were on the cooktop, wedged in the handle of the oven, on top of the frig and in the grooves of the seal, they were everywhere. I even found them around the corner, on the other side of the refrigerator!  I spent over 30 minutes cleaning up the mess.  Then I took a shower because they were stuck to my skin and deep in my hair.  This morning I came down to the kitchen.  With the sun shining in I could see even more dust and chips.  And I spent another 20 minutes cleaning that up.  So for this 10 minute job, it became an hour job after clean up.

Those who have never experienced the Festool dust collection efficiency might consider this substantial cleanup just part of the work.  To me it's avoidable, you just have to have the right tools.  Festool's dust collection is the star of their tool technology, IMHO.  Whether it's in my kitchen or in my shop, I don't want to spend a lot of time cleaning up.  And since my shop is in the basement, collecting everything I can at the source keeps the dust out of the house... and out of my lungs.  Efficient dust collection is why I love Festool.  Do I sound like a commercial?  [huh]

It really shines with the sanders, astoundingly so...Get a router though and then tell me what you think.  [wink]
 
skids said:
It really shines with the sanders, astoundingly so...Get a router though and then tell me what you think.  [wink]

You had to say that, didn't you?  [unsure]  I already own four routers and now I have to buy four more!  [crying]
 
Julie Moriarty said:
skids said:
It really shines with the sanders, astoundingly so...Get a router though and then tell me what you think.  [wink]

You had to say that, didn't you?  [unsure]  I already own four routers and now I have to buy four more!  [crying]

I understand your concern, I have 5 routers and a Shaper and I always look at new tools!  Just call me a "tool junkie"

Jack
 
Put my new RO90 to work today, so far quite impressed. Stripped old paint from some windowsills, used all 3 modes and each did great. With granat 80 in gear drive mode the paint didn't stand a chance, random orbital finished smooth with 220, and delta pad worked well in the corners. Overall the vibration level was very comfortable. Dust extraction was good until I grabbed the ladder and did some touch ups on the ceiling, ended up wearing a little more dust than expected. I'll be using this tool often, a most excellent addition and well worth the money.
 
Bump.

So, how are some of these RO90's that were new back in April and May doing 6 months later?
 
Scott B. said:
Bump.

So, how are some of these RO90's that were new back in April and May doing 6 months later?

It's doing well and with the assortment of pads and abrasives I've now got I use it for a variety of projects.
 
Glad this issue resurfaced with the bump.  Scott B's review was incredibly helpful in having me keep the RO 90 at the top of the list.

I bought my first Festool, the TS 55 REQ, about a month ago.  Next up is a Domino, but I've been eyeing the RO 90 every time I go into my local Woodworking store. Probably like a lot of woodworkers just starting to drink the green elixir, it is tough to decide which tool to replace next.   [smile]

I figured I could live with most of my sanders for awhile, but the RO90 just seems to offer such a unique set of capabilities that I feel that I need one.  I am sure I'll go down this same path concerning routers before too long ...
 
Thanks for the feedback, guys.

I thought of this thread because a member had mentioned recently that it would be nice to get more feedback further into the lifecycle on some of these tools, which I think is definitely important.
 
In reference to the abrasive packs, I received a generous assortment with the RO150 I got during the latest refurb sale. That was shipped from Festool directly, but my other experiences with Bob M give me the impression I'd see the same thing from him.
 
Imdskydiver said:
Has anyone used the Ro 90 for sanding handrail fittings ?

Ok, I admit. I have. So many times I am embarrassed and rarely speak of it publicly.

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