Funny Festool/Retailer Story...

darita

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A couple of weeks ago, I purchased a 55REQ from a major retail chain store and got a 1400 rail with it.  I put the set aside and have not had a chance to get to to since.  This week I decided to get an LR32 set.  I thought, why don't I return the 1400 rail I got with the saw and exchange it for a 55" holy rail.  So I called my retailer and spoke with the manager of the store.  He was flustered by my request and didn't know what to tell me.  I told him that many Festool retailers allow you to do this.  He told me he'd have to get some info and call me back.
Well, when I called back, he said that this was highly unusual to do, but that he would make the swap if I paid a 25% restocking fee, because I actually got the rail for free.  He said he couldn't see giving me something that cost money, in exchange for something I got for free.  I thought for a second, then said I'd have to think about it, because I may want to return the saw and rail and purchase from another retailer that would allow me to substitute the holy rail for the plain rail.  His reply was, if I returned the unused saw, he'd have to put my name on a "Do not sell to" list, that would make it impossible for me to purchase another saw.  I said, what?  I then said, no, I'll go to another retailer and purchase the saw.  He replied, "No...you don't understand...Festool will no longer sell you any more tools at all, once you are on that list!"  I reminded him that the 55 and rail were unopened and unused, but he said that didn't matter...he'd put my name on the list.  I scratched my head and told him that I would call him back and let him know what I was going to do.
I then called Festool and asked if it was an unusual request to swap guide rails and they said, not at all...that people do this all time depending on their particular needs.  I then asked about the "Do not sell" list...he laughed, then laughed again, then laughed some more.  He asked me who said this and he'd set them straight.  He also said that in fact, Festool wants every customer to be happy with their tools, that's why they give 30 days for us to decide whether or not we want to keep the tools.  He said, in that 30 days, you can return it for what ever reason and they have no problem with it.  He said what I wanted made perfect sense and that he was sorry that I had that experience.  I thanked him for the info and hung up.
About an hour later, I called my regional Festool Rep, Zak, to find out if he could make the swap.  To my surprise, he told me that he knew all about the situation and was glad I called.  He said he was called by Festool,and that he already called the retailer and straightened out the misinformation and that he was working on getting me the holy rail I wanted.  He said that once the rail comes in, the retailer will be happy to make the swap for me.  Zak said that the Manager said that one his employees told him that Festool had this "list" and so he was just informing me of that...yeah, right. 
Even though I had a good laugh about the whole thing, I can't believe the crap that retailers come up with to keep a sale.  This is the Manager of a major retail chain store.  He should know better than to threaten a customer with something that is simply not true.  He couldn't get past the fact that, in his mind, I didn't pay for the rail, so why should I be able to exchange it.  So much so, that he made up this story.
Sorry for the long tale, but I just had to pass this one along.
 
HILARIOUS! You were going to be blacklisted, err. Greenlisted..?

Foolish of the manager to feed you such misinformation, but true to form, Festool straightened it out in a jif!
 
That would suck. You would have to buy stuff from a guy on a dark street corner with a trench coat. I can see him opening the trench coat... Wanna buy a saw?
 
GREENLISTED!  That's funny!  I couldn't believe the story this guy gave me...and, I couldn't believe how quickly Festool took care of it.  Now that's Customer Service.  This is the Manager of a major retail chain store!  How did he get there?
 
darita said:
.  This is the Manager of a major retail chain store!  How did he get there?

Well, we know its not Home Depot that sold you the Festool, but same question often applies!
 
Personally, I wouldn't be terribly proud of this story. You weren't returning something because you were dissatisfied. You were returning it because you made a mistake about what you wanted, and expected someone else to take responsibility for your mistake. The "black list" part is inexcusable, but so is taking advantage of a warranty for the sake of covering a personal mistake.
 
You can return or exchange a power tool within 30 days. It doesn't matter why.

Like you were told by my colleague, we want to make sure you're satisfied with your purchase.

Sorry for the hassle.
 
Funny too that the manager thought that the rail was free.  Actually, the price of that rail is included in the purchase price of the saw -- if they were to offer the saw without a rail, it would be at a lower price.  I trust that this retailer's number is no longer on your speed dial.   [tongue]
 
I can guess which national retail chain it was. I bet it was the one that are on my list because of stupid stuff like this.
 
Rick Christopherson said:
Personally, I wouldn't be terribly proud of this story. You weren't returning something because you were dissatisfied. You were returning it because you made a mistake about what you wanted, and expected someone else to take responsibility for your mistake. The "black list" part is inexcusable, but so is taking advantage of a warranty for the sake of covering a personal mistake.
Just to make it clear, the 55REQ and rail were new, unused and still in their original packaging.  I didn't change my mind about the saw, just the package.  If I couldn't get the package I wanted from this retailer, I just wanted to return it and go to a retailer that would allow me to get the package that I want.  I honestly didn't think there should be any problem.  I mean, it's not like I used it, then wanted to return it.
 
"single sale" mentality is a very old fashioned way to think - but so many still do!

A "black list" is interesting ... does your photo go up in every tool store across the continent ?  [big grin]

Imagine not being able to buy abrasives for your sanders any more - love to see that one in front on the bench.

I'd reckon that's an often played scare tactic that just happened to backfire this time.

On rails - all rails should be holy rails, that'd solve the problem. It'd also make people more inclined to invest in LR32.
 
darita said:
Rick Christopherson said:
Personally, I wouldn't be terribly proud of this story. You weren't returning something because you were dissatisfied. You were returning it because you made a mistake about what you wanted, and expected someone else to take responsibility for your mistake. The "black list" part is inexcusable, but so is taking advantage of a warranty for the sake of covering a personal mistake.
Just to make it clear, the 55REQ and rail were new, unused and still in their original packaging.  I didn't change my mind about the saw, just the package.  If I couldn't get the package I wanted from this retailer, I just wanted to return it and go to a retailer that would allow me to get the package that I want.  I honestly didn't think there should be any problem.  I mean, it's not like I used it, then wanted to return it.

I agree, festool gives us that option so why not use it? It wasnt like you were doing anything shady like swapping rails etc..
 
This experience is the Number One reason I do not buy my Festools from national chain stores. It makes no difference if the stores are owned by the corporation or are franchised. Maybe some local stores belong to a chain provide what we think of as "Festool Service", but I am sure of the experience with the several brick and mortar as well as on-line Festool dealers I respect as vendors.

I felt confident I knew how to use tools decades before I purchased my first Festool. I had always respected the opinions and advice of Jesse Barragán for close to 30 years from the time he was the local sales manager for Inca and then at 'The Cutting Edge' which retailed top quality woodworking tools to people who appreciated them. So when he suggested I think about a Festool track plunge saw instead of the large sliding table saw I went to his store to purchase, I paid attention. His sales people and customers educated me about using Festools so as to get the most out of them.

In 2011 I participated in an End User class with a FOG member who is also part-time with a chain store selling Festools. If I lived near there I would trust his opinion, but that chain has a reputation of only placing orders when it suits their convenience and not to meet the needs of the customers.

Over the years I have visited a few Festool dealers staffed by people who clearly either did not attend Dealer Training, or managed to sleep while Steve Bace and Brian Sedgeley were talking. In one case I did purchase a tape measure from one of those stores, because I needed that particular tape measure. In the other cases I left without buying a thing.

When a sales associate or worse a manager, makes up Festool policies that is wrong. When a firm lies about one thing why would a sane person believe them about anything?
 
Kev said:
"single sale" mentality is a very old fashioned way to think - but so many still do!

A "black list" is interesting ... does your photo go up in every tool store across the continent ?  [big grin]

Imagine not being able to buy abrasives for your sanders any more - love to see that one in front on the bench.

I'd reckon that's an often played scare tactic that just happened to backfire this time.

On rails - all rails should be holy rails, that'd solve the problem. It'd also make people more inclined to invest in LR32.

I'd hate to see all the rails be milled for the LR32 system.  Then everyone would have to pay more for rails just in case you might want to someday, maybe get the LR32 system. [blink]
 
ccarrolladams said:
When a sales associate or worse a manager, makes up Festool policies that is wrong. When a firm lies about one thing why would a sane person believe them about anything?

Ah yes ... the old "fool me once, shame on you ...." thing. [big grin]
 
Brice Burrell said:
Kev said:
"single sale" mentality is a very old fashioned way to think - but so many still do!

A "black list" is interesting ... does your photo go up in every tool store across the continent ?  [big grin]

Imagine not being able to buy abrasives for your sanders any more - love to see that one in front on the bench.

I'd reckon that's an often played scare tactic that just happened to backfire this time.

On rails - all rails should be holy rails, that'd solve the problem. It'd also make people more inclined to invest in LR32.

I'd hate to see all the rails be milled for the LR32 system.  Then everyone would have to pay more for rails just in case you might want to someday, maybe get the LR32 system. [blink]

I suppose there's that, but I would think they could come up with an innovative way to make it common to all rails with only a very modest price increase (I'm absolutely not trying to inflate everyone's cost to suit my own desires!)

 
Thinking about the putative 'black list' or 'green list' what comes to mind is a field day for litigation attorneys.

While it is within the rights of a seller to refuse service to anyone, so long as no discrimination is involved, adding the name of a customer to a black list exposes the retailer to a host of legal action, as well as bad publicity.
 
darita said:
GREENLISTED!  That's funny!  I couldn't believe the story this guy gave me...and, I couldn't believe how quickly Festool took care of it.  Now that's Customer Service.  This is the Manager of a major retail chain store!  How did he get there?
A lot of manager now from these retail chain didn't become manager because of there skill in retail .They became manager because they know how to kiss A$$ .
 
darita said:
Rick Christopherson said:
Personally, I wouldn't be terribly proud of this story. You weren't returning something because you were dissatisfied. You were returning it because you made a mistake about what you wanted, and expected someone else to take responsibility for your mistake. The "black list" part is inexcusable, but so is taking advantage of a warranty for the sake of covering a personal mistake.
Just to make it clear, the 55REQ and rail were new, unused and still in their original packaging.  I didn't change my mind about the saw, just the package.  If I couldn't get the package I wanted from this retailer, I just wanted to return it and go to a retailer that would allow me to get the package that I want.  I honestly didn't think there should be any problem.  I mean, it's not like I used it, then wanted to return it.

My apologies. There was something in your original posting that gave me the feeling that there was something missing in the story. It would appear that I was wrong about that. So I apologize for that assumption.
 
Rick Christopherson said:
Personally, I wouldn't be terribly proud of this story. You weren't returning something because you were dissatisfied. You were returning it because you made a mistake about what you wanted, and expected someone else to take responsibility for your mistake. The "black list" part is inexcusable, but so is taking advantage of a warranty for the sake of covering a personal mistake.

I delete this post because I see that Rick already posted something else .
 
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