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To all,

I have resigned from the monthly contests judging panel and will not be participating in this forum any longer.

Over the last year and a half I have become attached to the FOG and its many wonderful members. I have done my best to contribute to this once great forum of ideas. I have invested a great deal of time and energy here and that made coming to this juncture even more painful.
Over the last few months there has been much turbulance here. I was blind to it at first, especially when I was trying to win the first monthly contest. After the euphoria I recognized there was a problem. I was hoping that the issues that created this turbulance would subside but they have only strengthened. After the latest round of bannings I felt I had had enough nonsense.

I will not remove any of the content I have contributed and hope that it does not get deleted. I have not removed my membership so that anyone that needs any help regarding information on woodworking and the incorporation of the Festool system may contact me. I will check messages here and my email is www.fullerbuilt@cox.net

Best wishes,

Eiji Fuller
 
Wow, you talkfestool guys are some piece of work.  If you are unhappy here, stop participating.  The dramatic 'I am leaving' scenes are really transparent.  And Mirko, I think he already knows he will see you over there since you have already talked in threads there.  Just trying to rub more salt in the wounds.  I'm sure you will get some points with your pals over there for it.

The way I see it, this is no different than a new competitor walking onto your jobsite and criticizing your work in front of the client, then giving them his business card.  How would YOU react to that.  How classless and crass is that? 

Matthew has done nothing but try to appease his critics.  Every change he has thought about, he has taken into account the forum members feedback and acted on it.  Contractors, peer ratings, even mentioning talk festool.  Any other admin of a major forum I have ever come across would have banned those members immediately.  You guys are being childish or have ulterior motives, which is it?

Who owns talkfestool?  A domain registration lookup shows that it is registered using a feature which hides all the real contact info.  Why is that?  Who is paying for all those google ads?  Clearly there is more here than meets the eye. 

'Timmy'  said on the talk site that he is going to switch to it as his primary site and he hasnt been on here since early July.  Pretty strange for a dealer to stop participating on the largest Festool forum so he can participate on a little used one.  What exactly is his relationship to the talk forum?  If I was a dealer I would be real concerned about participating on a forum that is potentially controlled by a competitor. 

Why don't you guys that want to, take your ball and go play where you want and stop trying to disrupt this forum.  I have been a member here since the yahoo days and I am sick of people trying to destroy this forum for their own benefit.
 
It could easily be argued you're being dramatic yourself. Maybe what we need is a little less outpouring of strong personal feeling, not more.

Just saying.

Thanks for all you've done here Eiji. I've really enjoyed the content you've posted. :D

Wish you well.
 
Good Morning,
In the future, if people wish to leave the FOG for TalkFestool, I ask that you do so quietly.  There is no need to announce here that you are joining that forum.  Do people feel the need to announce here that they are joining SMC or Woodnet or Knots?  Why do people feel the need to announce that particular forum?

On EricL's comments, I believe it is vital for a forum to be transparent about ownership, and where funding and support for that forum comes from.  That information should be  readily available on the forum itself.  You can find that information on the FOG by clicking here.

If ownership and control information is not available on the actual forum, as is the case with TalkFestool, you can research the public information about that forum's domain ownership by using Domaintools.  Doing this shows who registered and controls the domain.  A search for TalkFestool reveals that it is owned by Domains by Proxy, Inc.  Domains by Proxy is an organization used when someone wants to keep the ownership of a domain hidden from the public.

Good luck Eiji in the new forum.

Matthew
 
Eric,

That's quite the judgement there, and coming from a long time member that has contributed nothing. I will treat it as nothing.

EricL said:
Wow, you talkfestool guys are some piece of work.  If you are unhappy here, stop participating.  The dramatic 'I am leaving' scenes are really transparent.  And Mirko, I think he already knows he will see you over there since you have already talked in threads there.  Just trying to rub more salt in the wounds.  I'm sure you will get some points with your pals over there for it.

The way I see it, this is no different than a new competitor walking onto your jobsite and criticizing your work in front of the client, then giving them his business card.  How would YOU react to that.  How classless and crass is that? 

Matthew has done nothing but try to appease his critics.  Every change he has thought about, he has taken into account the forum members feedback and acted on it.  Contractors, peer ratings, even mentioning talk festool.  Any other admin of a major forum I have ever come across would have banned those members immediately.  You guys are being childish or have ulterior motives, which is it?

Who owns talkfestool?  A domain registration lookup shows that it is registered using a feature which hides all the real contact info.  Why is that?  Who is paying for all those google ads?  Clearly there is more here than meets the eye. 

'Timmy'  said on the talk site that he is going to switch to it as his primary site and he hasnt been on here since early July.  Pretty strange for a dealer to stop participating on the largest Festool forum so he can participate on a little used one.  What exactly is his relationship to the talk forum?  If I was a dealer I would be real concerned about participating on a forum that is potentially controlled by a competitor. 

Why don't you guys that want to, take your ball and go play where you want and stop trying to disrupt this forum.  I have been a member here since the yahoo days and I am sick of people trying to destroy this forum for their own benefit.
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I'm very reluctant to get involved here but I feel this thread needs a push in a more positive direction. Please take a closer look at Eiji's post for the facts.

I didn't see any mention of Eiji leaving FOG to join the other site in his post. He did edit the post, so mention of the other site may have been removed. The point is it's not mentioned now and it is nonsense that this post is to announce that he is joining the other site.

I think is appropriate when a long time member leaves to post a good bye message as long as it is in good taste. While some may debate if Eiji's post was in good taste, it was an explanation as to why he was leaving. This site is based on open and honest communication, he was open and honest. Eiji was a very valuable member here (actually he still is a member here) and his presence will be missed. Let's try to remember all that he contributed to this site, with that in mind, please respect his decision to leave.

Please don't turn this thread into a place to air your grievances with this or another forum and please refrain from posting comments that might be viewed as rubbing salt in wounds.
 
Matthew Schenker said:
Good Morning,
In the future, if people wish to leave the FOG for TalkFestool, I ask that you do so quietly.  There is no need to announce here that you are joining that forum.  Do people feel the need to announce here that they are joining SMC or Woodnet or Knots?  Why do people feel the need to announce that particular forum?

Matthew
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The need for an announcement is simple and I hope that you can understand our need for it. It is the fact that I have been very active here and have established many relationships during that time. I used this method of communicating to the many members that I have a relationship with to let them know I am going and that they can still contact me via email and I have not just left with out saying goodbye. I have not stated that I will be somewhere else, just that I will not be contributing here.

Eiji
 
Eiji,

Like Brice I have a bit of a reservation about entering into this thread, but what that hell. It would seem to me that a simple email to all the contacts you've made here would have sufficed to let them know you were leaving and would have been a bit less dramatic, no?

Now I don't think you should leave, nor should Per or anyone else for that matter. I think it might be time for the collective deep breath or the 72 hour hiatus just to bring things back into prospective.   
 
Joe Fusco said:
Eiji,

Like Brice I have a bit of a reservation about entering into this thread, but what that hell. It would seem to me that a simple email to all the contacts you've made here would have sufficed to let them know you were leaving and would have been a bit less dramatic, no?

Now I don't think you should leave, nor should Per or anyone else for that matter. I think it might be time for the collective deep breath or the 72 hour hiatus just to bring things back into prospective.   
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Joe, I can't speak for Eiji but I know I've been in contact with a lot of the members here and I don't have the e-mail address of all of them. It would be difficult for me to contact them all and let them know if I was leaving. Plus this site has rules about using the messaging system and contacting members via e-mail through the site, this type of message could be seen as a violation of those rules.

 
Everyone,
Eiji's original post declared that he was leaving FOG to take part in TalkFestool.  It was edited after the fact, with that part removed.
Thanks,
Matthew
 
Matthew Schenker said:
Everyone,
Eiji's original post declared that he was leaving FOG to take part in TalkFestool.  It was edited after the fact, with that part removed.
Thanks,
Matthew
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Thank you for confirming that I hadn't been imagining things!

Who edited the post and removed that part?

Forrest

 
Brice Burrell said:
... Plus this site has rules about using the messaging system and contacting members via e-mail through the site, this type of message could be seen as a violation of those rules.
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Perhaps you misunderstood a recent discussion on a related matter.  I'm sure it's just an oversight on your part.

Let me just correct your statement slightly, so people don't get the wrong idea.  There are no rules against writing to other members and telling them you are leaving this forum.  What is against the rules is using the forum's PM system to publicize a business or actively recruit members to join another forum.  This is a standard rule in place for all Internet forums, commonly referred to as "spamming."

For example, TF people used our PM system to send messages to FOG members, telling them to come join their new forum and spreading false information about me and the management of the FOG.  I know about it, because I received a massive number of complaints from members telling me it was happening.

For several weeks, I have tolerated this, and am still willing to ignore this issue.  Where I draw the line is when TF people use the FOG boards to promote their forum and spread misinformation about the FOG.  In those cases, I will either delete the post, post a correction of the misinformation (as well as additional facts that have come to light about the new forum and its management), ban the promoters, or all of the above.

It's simple.  I don't want to waste time with discussions of TF.  If they stop using the FOG to promote their forum, I will also stop posting about it.

Thanks,
Matthew
 
Forrest Anderson said:
Thank you for confirming that I hadn't been imagining things!

Who edited the post and removed that part?
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That information is stated below Eiji's post, indicating that he edited it.

Thanks,
Matthew
 
Matthew Schenker said:
Forrest Anderson said:
Thank you for confirming that I hadn't been imagining things!

Who edited the post and removed that part?
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That information is stated below Eiji's post, indicating that he edited it.

Thanks,
Matthew
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Thank you for your reply. It certainly says >" but the problem is that Eiji has already said:

Eiji Fuller said:
My edit of my original post was to fix a grammatical error.
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Removing a reference to "the other forum" is not what I'd call "fixing a grammatical error"!

Hopefully you will see why members might be a bit confused regarding the edit!

Eiji, if you are still hanging around here, perhaps you could clarify whether you removed the reference to the other forum?

Secondly, you might like to check the e-mail address you gave in your original post. I don't think www.fullerbuilt@cox.net is what you meant, and it doesn't match the e-mail address in your profile.

Forrest

 
Matthew,

You know me as I'm sure many others do as well.

I'd post a link to the other forum right on the home page and be done with the whole matter. (Basically saying I/we have nothing to fear from you or any other forum out there)

You have a good forum here and most all know it. Let people do as they will.
 
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