Hammer A3-31 Owners, Please Help

mprzybylski

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Hey everyone,
I’ve been contemplating upgrading my setup to the Hammer A3-31 for what seems like 6 months now. I have read and re-read everything I can find about it, watched every YouTube video I saw, and gotten quotes from the reps twice now. Recently there was a “review” of the A3-31 that was posted on LumberJocks, taken down, and re-posted in a total different light which didn’t help any of this. Basically the owner there was complaining about Hammer as a company and trashing them because his tables weren't flat, then after some exchanges that were very public between the owner and Felder (and a third party) and talks with the Felder CEO, a rep finally came out to his house and corrected the issue. He went on to delete that review and posted a new one that painted the company as if he had now been a part of it and was paid to write it. As this would be the biggest tool purchase I’ve ever made (for obvious reasons), I have some questions I wanted to see if I can get answered before making a decision. Here they are and I’d REALLY appreciate it if someone could shed some light on any and/or all of these:

1) If you have this machine, would you buy it again? Is there anything with it that you regret or would like to change?

2) I’m looking at buying the spiral head rather than the straight knives. The Felder rep told me that you can only purchase replacement cutters directly from Felder. Is this really the case? Can I not purchase the Byrd cutters as I’ve read that this is possibly a Byrd head?

3) If you’ve purchased this or other machines from Felder/Hammer, how has your support post-sale been? Did the machine arrive with any issues? If so, how did Felder handle it? I’ve read extremely conflicting reports on their service and I’m at a loss here.

4) Does the Felder Owners Group (the “other” FOG) still exist? I’ve read that it is a Yahoo group but I can’t find it ANYWHERE. I found a “Felder Users Group” but it only had 113 members and the last post was in May. If this FOG exists, how/where do I sign up?

5) I’ve also put the digital hand wheel in the order as well as two extension tables. I figured one on each side as I regularly work with long stock between 6’-8’ long and as I understand it the stock beds are rather short. Is this a good move? Have you possibly made your own infeed/outfeed for it and would not recommend these? Are there other accessories you’d suggest?

6) Is there another machine along the lines of the A3-31 that I should be looking at? I looked at the Jet (not as favorable as this machine in terms of reviews on performance whereas this machine performance wise usually gets very high marks), the Grizzly (not interested due to having to take off the fence), and the MiniMax FS30 (more expensive, can’t find that much info on it, I spoke with a customer once and he was all over the place so I worry that an actual MM rep couldn’t call me to talk it through and they had a customer call me instead, or as he termed it an owner that is now a local rep, whatever that means). My main criteria are a spiral cutterhead, ease of changing over from jointer to planer and vice versa, not having to take the fence off for the changeover, and 12” capacity.

7) How did you make this machine mobile? I have read mixed reviews about the Hammer mobile base and was going to make my own base with machine leveling casters (http://www.woodcraft.com/Product/149511/WoodRiver-Machine-Leveling-Caster-Plate-Mounted-4-Pack.aspx). There is a stem variant of this (although not sold by Woodcraft) as well which I understand may also be possible and the machine is already pre-drilled for them.  Is this true? If so, how easy is it to install them?

I know I’m asking a LOADED set of questions but considering that I may be spending a down payment for a nice car on this tool I’d really like to make the right choice and not feel bad about it. Again, if you could help me in the decision making process by answering some of these questions I’d be forever grateful.

Lastly, I apologize if you saw this post on another forum but I cross-posted to the forums I frequent most often in hopes of getting the most answers possible from users that may not visit this forum so that I may get more insight and finally make this decision once and for all.
 
Not sure if it helps you..

I found a A3-31 on Boston Craigslist supposedly purchased new 2 years ago. Seller was asking $2600.

Bet low 2000k could get it. If i was wired for 240 it would be in my shop already?.. 
 
I have an A3-26 which is very similar. I like it a lot and would buy again. It arrived damaged but the UK service was excellent.

I would probably buy the silent cutters next time because the standard knives chipped very quickly (due to knots). Also, I like the machine enough that I would be happy to invest more in it.

The digital handwheel is a "must have". Many don't like the mobility kit because it is limited in how much you can move it around. I am happy with this limitation and couldn't be bothered to engineer something better.

I have just ordered 2 400mm extensions because they are on offer in the UK and I have a bandsaw I can use them on (twice the potential usage, hence better value). I am not convinced they are absolutely necessary as I got zero snipe and the only downside of the boards not being fully supported was the occasional lifting off of the board with the resultant ridge which was easy to handplane out. Some people say the extensions can flex under heavy loads as they cantilevered rather than having their own leg for support.

 
mprzybylski said:
Hey everyone,
I’ve been contemplating upgrading my setup to the Hammer A3-31 for what seems like 6 months now. I have read and re-read everything I can find about it, watched every YouTube video I saw, and gotten quotes from the reps twice now. Recently there was a “review” of the A3-31 that was posted on LumberJocks, taken down, and re-posted in a total different light which didn’t help any of this. Basically the owner there was complaining about Hammer as a company and trashing them because his tables weren't flat, then after some exchanges that were very public between the owner and Felder (and a third party) and talks with the Felder CEO, a rep finally came out to his house and corrected the issue. He went on to delete that review and posted a new one that painted the company as if he had now been a part of it and was paid to write it. As this would be the biggest tool purchase I’ve ever made (for obvious reasons), I have some questions I wanted to see if I can get answered before making a decision. Here they are and I’d REALLY appreciate it if someone could shed some light on any and/or all of these:

1) If you have this machine, would you buy it again? Is there anything with it that you regret or would like to change?

Yes, it is built like a tank. I bought their crappy mobility kit. I modified it so it would work better by using a bottle jack and heavy duty slides to make a lifter mechanism that works great. Saves the back and mine can now turn around in its own length.

2) I’m looking at buying the spiral head rather than the straight knives. The Felder rep told me that you can only purchase replacement cutters directly from Felder. Is this really the case? Can I not purchase the Byrd cutters as I’ve read that this is possibly a Byrd head?

Definitely buy the spiral head. It is Felder's design and NOT a Byrd head. Therefore Felder cutters are the replacement option.

3) If you’ve purchased this or other machines from Felder/Hammer, how has your support post-sale been? Did the machine arrive with any issues? If so, how did Felder handle it? I’ve read extremely conflicting reports on their service and I’m at a loss here.

Mine arrived in fine shape. Be careful when taking it off the pallet. It is VERY heavy.

4) Does the Felder Owners Group (the “other” FOG) still exist? I’ve read that it is a Yahoo group but I can’t find it ANYWHERE. I found a “Felder Users Group” but it only had 113 members and the last post was in May. If this FOG exists, how/where do I sign up?

Not sure.

5) I’ve also put the digital hand wheel in the order as well as two extension tables. I figured one on each side as I regularly work with long stock between 6’-8’ long and as I understand it the stock beds are rather short. Is this a good move? Have you possibly made your own infeed/outfeed for it and would not recommend these? Are there other accessories you’d suggest?

The long tables have adjustable legs for added support and appear to be solidly built. I bought one of the short extensions for the thickness out feed and it is a solid unit.

6) Is there another machine along the lines of the A3-31 that I should be looking at? I looked at the Jet (not as favorable as this machine in terms of reviews on performance whereas this machine performance wise usually gets very high marks), the Grizzly (not interested due to having to take off the fence), and the MiniMax FS30 (more expensive, can’t find that much info on it, I spoke with a customer once and he was all over the place so I worry that an actual MM rep couldnt call me to talk it through and they had a customer call me instead, or as he termed it an owner that is now a local rep, whatever that means). My main criteria are a spiral cutterhead, ease of changing over from jointer to planer and vice versa, not having to take the fence off for the changeover, and 12” capacity.

Sure there are other machines out there. Consider that if you purchase one of these it is built to order for you and not some unit that has been sitting in a warehouse for God knows how long. That is why there is a waiting period as the machines that are  being are sold already!

7) How did you make this machine mobile? I have read mixed reviews about the Hammer mobile base and was going to make my own base with machine leveling casters (http://www.woodcraft.com/Product/149511/WoodRiver-Machine-Leveling-Caster-Plate-Mounted-4-Pack.aspx). There is a stem variant of this (although not sold by Woodcraft) as well which I understand may also be possible and the machine is already pre-drilled for them.  Is this true? If so, how easy is it to install them?

The problem with the Felder mobility kit is that it is very difficult to lift the 700 pound machine with the handle and steer and push the unit around. Also very stressful on the back. So I retired my lifting bar and designed a hydraulic lifting system inspired by the Sawstop Professional lift. I removed the pivot bracket and installed my system which does use a pair of heavy duty casters. There is a Youtube video I did demonstrating how well my system works. Just pump the handle three times and the machine can now be moved very easily and can do ninety degree turns with no problem. The crappy Felder setup could not do that without stress to my back. I did retain the Felder axle and needle bearing wheels at the rear of the unit as they do have low rolling friction.

I know I’m asking a LOADED set of questions but considering that I may be spending a down payment for a nice car on this tool I’d really like to make the right choice and not feel bad about it. Again, if you could help me in the decision making process by answering some of these questions I’d be forever grateful.

I hope this helps!

Lastly, I apologize if you saw this post on another forum but I cross-posted to the forums I frequent most often in hopes of getting the most answers possible from users that may not visit this forum so that I may get more insight and finally make this decision once and for all.
 
@Iceclimber: I did see that post when I did a nationwide search but unfortunately I am in the Chicago suburbs :\

@cliffp: thank you for your input, much appreciated.

@TomGadwa1: I have seen all your videos about the machine and really appreciate the posts you have made concerning it (I have read them all as well).  I was hoping you'd chime in as a long time owner.  How did you end up taking it off of the pallet? That is something I am really not looking forward to doing as the heaviest machine I've ever taken off was a SawStop PCS and the directions described how to do this very easily and it wasn't quite as heavy.

Thanks again everyone!  Keep the feedback coming.
 
@mprzybylski

Let me know if there is anything else you want to know
 
I've had the A331 for over a year now and like it.  My knives chipped pretty early on as well so that was kind of disappointing.  I need to order a new set and called Felder to see about switching to the spiral cutter head.  I found out that you can't do that after the fact as they don't have a retrofit unit.  I would recommend going with the spiral head if you can afford to.  Had I known I couldn't switch later on I would've gone that route.
 
I have this machine for about a month. My comments:

1. Yes I'd buy it again. It gives me great progress with minimal space requirements and reasonable price.
2. I chose the spiral head. I would recommend it to anyone. It is quieter and the workpiece surface is excellent. When processing about one cubic meter teak wear is minimal.
3. Aid in my country is great, as well as  Festool.
4. I have no experience.
5. Within the tuning I have not just replacing the supplied handle for aluminum, significantly improved handling comfort.
6. Determine the sophisticated machines, for example. FORMAT or Martin, but that's another category of investment.
7. use the supplied system for mobility and there is nothing special but the purpose to fulfill.

I wish good luck to decide.
 
If you use a ramp make sure that you employ a come along that can be set to ease the unit down the ramp. I neglected to do that and was lucky that I did not injure myself or my kind neighbor that helped me with it. The unit came down the ramp at MACH 3!!!! Caution is advised!!!!
 
Thanks again everyone. I was able to get on the Felder Owners Group list so thank you for that link as well.

I think I've decided against the extensions and if I ever need them I'll make my own.
 
I've had the A3-31 for over a year now and really like it. I paid for the pro setup; I don't think there was a lot for him to do but he did check it out, minor assembly, and verified the tables were true. I have the spiral cutter and have been impressed with the job it does. I opted for an extension on the outfeed side and the digital hand wheel. I would recommend it and the options listed.
I was so impressed with the quality I purchased the K3 79-48 table saw. I don't have any regrets.
As far as the service goes, I found them to be really helpful when I purchased the A3-31. I had a few issues with the saw purchase with unreturned calls, emails, and sometimes incorrect answers to my questions. For the most part, it was the same sales guy so I'm not sure why he was good the first time and not so much on the second purchase. I have called their support line a couple of times and they seemed knowledgeable. I haven't needed repairs on anything.
I have made several major power tool purchases over the last few years and I think the reviews have been all over the place. I read them but focus mainly on buying quality from good manufacturers.
 
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