Has anyone tried to use a Systainer as the dust box for a cyclone?

[RC]

I'm currently glueing together my Cyclone Central 50mm cyclone and I'm measuring up SYS5 T-loc systainer lid for use as the deposit box on top of my CTL26.

Has anyone tried if a Systainer is tight enough to work as the deposit box and not blow to pieces under pressure?

How badly would making the hole reduce the strength of the lids support construction if punched through where the Festool text is?

I guess at least a plywood circle backer would be needed inside the systainer for the attachment screws?

 

[festoller]

Yes and it still works perfect:

http://festoolownersgroup.com/other-tools-accessories/dust-deputy-%28plastic%29-on-systainer-festool-ctl-midi/?all

See post #25 with the details.

 

[RC]

I see you built an inner plywood container to the systainer - did you do that to withstand crushing forces on the systainer or to make emptying easier since the lid is hinged?

I'm just wondering wouldn't it be easier to make a systainer base clip compatible plywood box in the first place instead of cannibalizing a systainer for this if you need to build a plywood box anyway?

 

[Kev]

I've been toying with this very question.

There has been a couple of threads on it - generally I think the butchering required and the fact that you're unlikely to ever stack anything on top (particularly during use) means a compatible based box would be "more sensible" ... one with a lid you can turn upside down to store the cyclone maybe.

Though if I ever get round to it, I'll probably start with a Sys5 [big grin] I like systainers.

 

[Alan m]

i tryed this with a sys 4 ( think)  and a sys2 . it didnt work well at all. there isnt a good enough seal between the lid and the base part to trap the air and the negative pressure pulls in the sides.
if i were you i would make a box the size of a systainer  and use that instead.

there is a thread on that mess i made on here somewher . i will see if i can find it.

 

[festoller]

I see you built an inner plywood container to the systainer - did you do that to withstand crushing forces on the systainer or to make emptying easier since the lid is hinged?

I'm just wondering wouldn't it be easier to make a systainer base clip compatible plywood box in the first place instead of cannibalizing a systainer for this if you need to build a plywood box anyway?

To make emptying easier with the Dust Deputy on top! The Systainer will withstand the crushing forces, at least from the Midi and CTL 26. Although I have to admit since I have the CTL 26 I haven't used it much, except for routing. Also the missing anti static effect is really annoying, if you don't bridge it properly. This is not a problem when sanding or routing, but using it with a track saw or Kapex keeps you really awake!

 

[Stone Message]

Hi Reiska

I have a Dust Deputy which is exclusively used on top of my CTL26 (photo below). I bought it before I discovered Cyclone Central (or rather - they discovered me - their 100mm cyclone is fantastic).

I thought about using a systainer but discounted it on the basis of cost, suitability and difficulty in conversion. Instead I built a simple drop box from 19mm MDF. In order for my box to fit properly on my CT26 I made a small base frame (independent of the box structure) that fits into the recess on the CT26 and allows the locking clips to be applied. This frame (second photo) was then screwed to the completed drop box. The lid of the drop box is fitted with a lip, which improves the seal, but I have also helped it with a line of draught proofer. I have installed clips on each side (put on after the photograph was taken) to keep the lid and base together during movement. Finally, I made sure that the finished height of the drop box on top of the CT26 was 2mm lower than the standard 900mm height of my MFT3 and Kapex workstation and mounted the DD towards the back to make the area in front usable.

Total cost $2.

I am sure that the whole arrangement must be visible in some of my videos.

Peter

 

[Samer]

Have a look here =  http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tools-accessories/home-made-festool-cyclone-dust/

i hope u like

 

[Stone Message]

Hi Reiska

How have you got on assembling the 50mm Cyclone Central? Have you put in a pressure relief valve?

I use my 100mm one to intercept the chippings from my planing machine with a plastic dustbin as a drop box. I then put the shavings onto my compost heap which gives a perfect balance with the grass cuttings. I fork over the heap about once a week and everything rots down really well.

Peter

 

[TomGadwa1]

Hi Reiska

I have a Dust Deputy which is exclusively used on top of my CTL26 (photo below). I bought it before I discovered Cyclone Central (or rather - they discovered me - their 100mm cyclone is fantastic).

I thought about using a systainer but discounted it on the basis of cost, suitability and difficulty in conversion. Instead I built a simple drop box from 19mm MDF. In order for my box to fit properly on my CT26 I made a small base frame (independent of the box structure) that fits into the recess on the CT26 and allows the locking clips to be applied. This frame (second photo) was then screwed to the completed drop box. The lid of the drop box is fitted with a lip, which improves the seal, but I have also helped it with a line of draught proofer. I have installed clips on each side (put on after the photograph was taken) to keep the lid and base together during movement. Finally, I made sure that the finished height of the drop box on top of the CT26 was 2mm lower than the standard 900mm height of my MFT3 and Kapex workstation and mounted the DD towards the back to make the area in front usable.

Total cost $2.

I am sure that the whole arrangement must be visible in some of my videos.

Peter

Peter I would be careful about your budgeting expense for that great looking frame plate that you made. That $2.00 dollars could have been spent towards a pint after all.
Also do have a look at Samer's dust deputy as it is really a fantastic looking homebuilt unit.

 

[Stone Message]

Peter I would be careful about your budgeting expense for that great looking frame plate that you made. That $2.00 dollars could have been spent towards a pint after all.
Also do have a look at Samer's dust deputy as it is really a fantastic looking homebuilt unit.

My local timber supplier allows customers to have free offcuts - the base frame cost nothing. The small amount of MDF was left over from another job where its cost had been factored - hence the $2 that I allowed. I think that Samer's cyclone is very elegant and shows some high craft skills but in the time it would take me to make one (and I would struggle to make one as good as his) I could turn several hundreds of dollars profit from routine work.

Peter

 

[TomGadwa1]

Peter I would be careful about your budgeting expense for that great looking frame plate that you made. That $2.00 dollars could have been spent towards a pint after all.
Also do have a look at Samer's dust deputy as it is really a fantastic looking homebuilt unit.

My local timber supplier allows customers to have free offcuts - the base frame cost nothing. The small amount of MDF was left over from another job where its cost had been factored - hence the $2 that I allowed. I think that Samer's cyclone is very elegant and shows some high craft skills but in the time it would take me to make one (and I would struggle to make one as good as his) I could turn several hundreds of dollars profit from routine work.

Peter

Very true. I am curious as I never built one, what does a routine look like?  [big grin]

 

[flounder]

Peter,
You posted feedback on the Axi site (I assume it was you!) for the Numatic NVD750.  Do you still have this extractor and what is your opnion of it now?  I am in need of an extractor that I can use in a really confined space that I can hook up to a 100mm thicknesser outlet as well as use with power tools and this looks like it could tick both boxes.  I would love to have a Festool vac but they don't look like they could handle both tasks?
Cheers

 

[Stone Message]

Peter,
You posted feedback on the Axi site (I assume it was you!) for the Numatic NVD750.  Do you still have this extractor and what is your opnion of it now?  I am in need of an extractor that I can use in a really confined space that I can hook up to a 100mm thicknesser outlet as well as use with power tools and this looks like it could tick both boxes.  I would love to have a Festool vac but they don't look like they could handle both tasks?
Cheers

Hi

I still have the Numatic and I love it. I use it through a Cyclone Central 100mm cyclone with a dustbin as a drop box. I use it with my planer/thicknesser and my bandsaw. For those machines one wants high volume rather than high vacuum. If you can find anything with higher volume at a similar or better price then that could end up being better (but the Numatic has a good HEPA standard). That said, I would not change mine. If you use a cyclone then you ought to have a pressure relief valve just in case.

All of my other workshop (and away from workshop) requirements are met by my CTL26. This is not suitable to handle either the planer or bandsaw. For general cleanups, and for pulling any dust from setups that require two places of suction (my router tables), I also use my very old Dyson.

I hope that helps.

Peter

 

[RC]

Thanks for asking Peter, I think I finally got the cyclone itself airtight. I haven't put in a relief valve since I am under the impression that the small cyclones don't need it?

What I'm scratching my head with now is how to get it connected to my CT26 - the 50mm ports in the cyclone are just that much too large or small for both the 36mm Festool hose tool end and the 50mm vacuum connector.

Anyone figured out if any of the Festool hose ends would be a tight fit inside or outside these dustports?

 

[Stone Message]

Hi reiska

I bought some 2 inch (might be 2 1/4 inch) plastic waste pipe and warmed it up, adjusted the size and made quite a good fit.

See the photo.

Peter

 

[ericbuggeln]

Have to work, but will post text later. DD stole this concept from me and other early members of the FOG, it took us like an evening of posts to come up with it, Eric

 

[Vindingo]

Just finished my systainer cyclone, with the help of some photos from Ericbuggeln.

It works great, and I don't find there to be any loss of suction at all. 

Some things I did different than his:

Used the Tanos lid insert (EPP) which is rigid foam/polystyrene
I think this enables the top to be air tight.  I also siliconed the crap out of the joint between the foam, sys lid, and cyclone so there are no leaks.

For the inner box I decided to use cross members as a supports/pulls.  I originally just tacked on some scraps of wood to the inside of my collection box, but found that the lid of the systainer bends in a considerable amount while under full load.  The cross members support the top and act as pulls. 

I used a cheapie home depot (Ridgid) spare hose kit that fit directly into the mini, and a coupling that fit the Fes AS hose to the Dust Deputy. 

 

 

[ericbuggeln]

Nice work Vinny, i wish i had done my lid like that

 

[mikeneron]

Looks like you better put that thing to good use on that floor  [tongue]

[quote author=Vindingo]I used a cheapie home depot (Ridgid) spare hose kit that fit directly into the mini, and a coupling that fit the Fes AS hose to the Dust Deputy.[/quote]

I can't really tell, but are the nozzles on your Dust Deputy tapered?  I found if I cut 20mm off then the Festool hose fit nice and securely without the need for any adapters.  That way you could get rid of that 90 degree adapter and have your hose coming straight out thus putting less stress on the Dust Deputy nozzle.  I attached some pics in another thread.
http://festoolownersgroup.com/festool-tools-accessories/ultimate-oneida-cyclone-dust-collector-for-festool-vacs/msg213447/#msg213447