has the T-loc systainer devaluated the pre-T-loc tools?

[Timtool]

since i recently bought my first systainer tools, they came in a T-loc systainer.
my Kapex and CT22 that i bought last year obviously didn't come with a systainer.

i always keep an eye on ebay and other free ad sites for good deals on tools, since the venue of the T-loc, the festools that are sold in an old systainer don't seem as alluring anymore. unless the price is verry low.
past weekend a domino that had made 4 cuts got sold for under 50% of it's new value on ebay.
i didn't bid because i thought that the price would go higher.
there are a few more tools being sold that i would be interested in, but it seems that me and others are less interested to pay as much as before for them.
well, i guess that those who don't care can make good deals!
what are your findings?

 

[leakyroof]

As always, it should be about the tools that COME in the systainer, not the SYSTAINER itself. After all, that's where the most amount of work has been done to give the end user the tool for the task. That Domino low price sounds like a market thing at the time it was being sold, regardless of what box it came in. But people are strange, who knows, maybe the T-loc boxes WILL somehow depress used tool prices in the future if the tool is in its original Systainer box and not a T-Loc. [crying] [crying] [crying]

 

[Guy Ashley]

Ebay is a very odd market place where there are a lot of factors influencing the prices.

I have just picked up a 9 degree sill cutter block for my spindle moulder, brand new price £380, I got it for £175!!!! Two similar had been sold in the previous week for higher prices so I suppose there just wasn't the bidders and I got lucky.

Conversely I did bid on an Aquamac 63  draught seal cutter last week on Ebay that eventually went for £15 more than you buy the same item brand new!!

I think thats called bidders frenzy!! (Or just plain stupidity!) [tongue]

 

[woodnerd]

I don't know about all Festools, but the ones I've been watching always go for around 75% of new.  I recently watched a sander go for 93% of new [eek].  None of them were in T-Locs

I supposed pre-T-Loc tools will be slightly lower in the future, but I don't see it being much of a factor.  Heck, even used pre-T-Loc Systainers are fetching strangely high prices.

Of course, if you go far enough into the future, perhaps the old style will be come rare collectables, worth more than the tool itself ...  [wink]

 

[AlexThePalex]

has the T-loc systainer devaluated the pre-T-loc tools?

It makes no difference.

 

[Alan m]

i dont think it matters if you are getting the tool for 50 -70 % of retail, you can buy a tloc for it and still win if you want one. the problem is when there is two the same exept one is classic and the other t loc, i know i would only want the t loc as i am changing over. as a reult i wouldnt pay as much for a classic

 

[ghostofhoward]

has the T-loc systainer devaluated the pre-T-loc tools?

It makes no difference.

                                                        I believe it does make a difference,you can get a free shirt when you buy a sander in the old systainer (at least on Amazon.com)and I have not seen a free shirt offered with the T-loc yet.I ordered one with the T-loc and am not getting a free shirt.So it made a difference to me. 

 

[WarnerConstCo.]

who really cares?

 

[Brice Burrell]

who really cares?

Not me. [tongue]

 

[AlexThePalex]

has the T-loc systainer devaluated the pre-T-loc tools?

It makes no difference.

                                                         I believe it does make a difference,you can get a free shirt when you buy a sander in the old systainer (at least on Amazon.com)and I have not seen a free shirt offered with the T-loc yet.I ordered one with the T-loc and am not getting a free shirt.So it made a difference to me.   

Well, I'm not gonna deny the fact that it may make a difference for some individuals, one way or the other. As for me, I prefer the classic systainer, and you for instance, prefer the new T-Loc.

But I'm looking at a bigger picture. I live in The Netherlands with Germany next to us and we have a vastly bigger Festool market over here than in the States. And I follow that market very closely because in my own small way I'm a part of it as a trader of (Fes)tools, and what I see is that the tools with their classic systainers change hands just as easily as the tools in T-Locs, and just as easily as before the launch of the T-Locs. And I see no price difference between the two types of systainers, and I see no devaluation of the classic systainer at all. They still sell for high prices, just as they did before.
 
Maybe the picture is different in America, can't really say for sure, because all I know about the American market is what I read here on the FOG. Maybe Americans look different at it, and prefer something that's the newest of the newest, and that may be the reason Amazon feels the need to offer an incentive in the form of a free T-Shirt. I see a lot of enthousiasm here on the FOG for the T-Loc and some people say they want to change over their complete stock of classics to T-Locs. Personally I find that a bit over the top. It's just a box and the old one works just as good as the new one. When I decided to go for Festool, the box it came in was of no consideration to me. Maybe that sentiment is not shared by most people on the forum here, who, as you might logically expect, act rather fan-boyish towards everything Festool does, but for most workers out here in the field, it's really the tool that matters and not the box it comes in.

But I wasn't necessarily commenting on the American situation. The OP is Belgian, and everybody knows Belgians are half Dutch [wink], so that's in my little corner of the world.

 

[Timtool]

i guess that if i already had a collection of festools in classic systainers, that i would maybe prefer to buy the new tools box-less and get classic systainers for them separately. for the sake of uniformity (somehow that matters to me!)
but now that i only have T-locs, i feel that used tools in classic systainers have less value.
they would really need to be in top condition, and have a verry interesting price for me to consider them. because it's one more thing that makes new tools more appealing besides the warranty.

i suppose that big dealers like amazon with tools in stock are trying to get the classic tools out like hot potatoes by throwing in gadgets and gifts because otherwise they won't get rid of them.

 

[barnowl]

has the T-loc systainer devaluated the pre-T-loc tools?

It makes no difference.

I agree.

But I'm curious about something.

On the "older" systainers, there is a small oval recess in the top center of the front of the lower portion.

Will this be adaptable to T-locks?

One has to wonder why it's there.

 

[Corwin]

But I'm curious about something.

On the "older" systainers, there is a small oval recess in the top center of the front of the lower portion.

Will this be adaptable to T-locks?

One has to wonder why it's there.

That oval recess in the older "classic" Systainers was not used for a lock.  They did offer a locking latch that replaced the standard latches, but to my knowledge nothing was made to mount in that recess. 

The new Systainers are called T-Loc for the shape of the new single latch.  I guess that there is something lost in translation, as there have been a few examples where Festool has used the word "lock" when they should have used the word "latch". 

 

[barnowl]

That oval recess in the older "classic" Systainers was not used for a lock. 

I understand that, and wasn't confusing terminology, but was wondering why the recess is there.

Future adapting of the new "latch"?

 

[Corwin]

Future adapting of the new "latch"?

No.

 

[Brice Burrell]

....The new Systainers are called T-Loc for the shape of the new single latch.  I guess that there is something lost in translation, as there have been a few examples where Festool has used the word "lock" when they should have used the word "latch". 

Nothing lost in translation, the "Loc" is an acronym, Lock, Open and Connect.