Help choosing a table saw blade

John T.

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I'm going to buy a 10" table saw blade for use on a Sawstop cabinet saw at the local maker space. I'm over getting burn marks because the communal blades are dull or dirty.

I will mostly be doing rip cuts, because the communal cross cut sleds are always out of square, and I do all my cross cuts at home with my track saw MFT setup.

Will the glue line rip blade make that much of a difference compared to the general purpose? If they'll be really close then maybe I should get the general purpose in case I ever end up doing cross cuts, despite the rip blade being cheaper. Any consideration over ease, frequency, or cost of resharpening?
https://www.rockler.com/freud-premier-fusion-saw-bladehttps://www.rockler.com/freud-lm74r-industrial-glue-line-rip-saw-blades
 
ironchefboyardee said:
I'm going to buy a 10" table saw blade for use on a Sawstop cabinet saw at the local maker space. I'm over getting burn marks because the communal blades are dull or dirty.

I will mostly be doing rip cuts, because the communal cross cut sleds are always out of square, and I do all my cross cuts at home with my track saw MFT setup.

Will the glue line rip blade make that much of a difference compared to the general purpose? If they'll be really close then maybe I should get the general purpose in case I ever end up doing cross cuts, despite the rip blade being cheaper. Any consideration over ease, frequency, or cost of resharpening?
https://www.rockler.com/freud-premier-fusion-saw-bladehttps://www.rockler.com/freud-lm74r-industrial-glue-line-rip-saw-blades

All the blades shown in your link are not suitable for use with the SawStop as they are anti-kick back type. Pick a blade that doesn't have that feature (hump).
 
Which hump are you referring to? I don’t see anything in the description or specs on that.
 
Get a rip blade for ripping.  Infinity has good rip blades for table saws. 

 
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It'll affect SawStop's performance in stopping the blade in case of an accident.

 

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It'll affect SawStop's performance in stopping the blade in case of an accident.

I see. It looks like all the ripping blades have that, except the lower tooth rough rip saw blades, so unless someone knows of a ripping blade without this I'll go with a general purpose blade.
 
Not sure what ripping blades you've checked, all my WWII ripping blades have no anti-kickback features. I am sure non anti-kickback ripping blades are available other than SawStop and WWII blades, such as amana, prestige, freud etc. (18t to 24t).
 
I have two Forrest blades for my SawStop PCS.  The

Combination:      10" Woodworker II Saw Blade - 40 Teeth
Rip:  10" Woodworker II Saw Blade - 20 Teeth - Fast feed

They both work great.    I use the Rip blade when ripping a lot of hardwood, especially thicker than 3/4".    For everything else including a few hardwood rips, I use the combination blade.

Either blade would be fine, but I suspect you will be happier with the combination blade as it is more versatile. 

Bob

 
ChuckS said:
Not sure what ripping blades you've checked, all my WWII ripping blades have no anti-kickback features. I am sure non anti-kickback ripping blades are available other than SawStop and WWII blades, such as amana, prestige, freud etc. (18t to 24t).

I believe those are low tooth count blades, which I read were more suited to rough cuts/rips, not for finish cuts. All the high tooth rip cut blades seem to have the kickback feature on them.
https://www.woodcraft.com/blog_entries/choosing-the-right-table-saw-blades
 
rmhinden said:
I have two Forrest blades for my SawStop PCS.  The

Combination:      10" Woodworker II Saw Blade - 40 Teeth
Rip:  10" Woodworker II Saw Blade - 20 Teeth - Fast feed

They both work great.    I use the Rip blade when ripping a lot of hardwood, especially thicker than 3/4".    For everything else including a few hardwood rips, I use the combination blade.

Either blade would be fine, but I suspect you will be happier with the combination blade as it is more versatile. 

Bob

Versatility aside, do you get better rip cut quality out of either of them?
 
ironchefboyardee said:
Versatility aside, do you get better rip cut quality out of either of them?

I think the combination blade generally gives higher quality rip cuts, but since I don't use it for the ripping thick hardwood, I can't really compare.  This may come down to what you are planning to rip.

Bob
 
rmhinden said:
ironchefboyardee said:
Versatility aside, do you get better rip cut quality out of either of them?

I think the combination blade generally gives higher quality rip cuts, but since I don't use it for the ripping thick hardwood, I can't really compare.  This may come down to what you are planning to rip.

Bob

I'll be cutting mostly white oak, anywhere from 1/2" to 1-1/2". So that doesn't help make a decision.
 
ironchefboyardee said:
ChuckS said:
Not sure what ripping blades you've checked, all my WWII ripping blades have no anti-kickback features. I am sure non anti-kickback ripping blades are available other than SawStop and WWII blades, such as amana, prestige, freud etc. (18t to 24t).

I believe those are low tooth count blades, which I read were more suited to rough cuts/rips, not for finish cuts. All the high tooth rip cut blades seem to have the kickback feature on them.
https://www.woodcraft.com/blog_entries/choosing-the-right-table-saw-blades

Even with my WWII 30 T, I often need to remove machine marks. My WWII  20T has just arrived, which is better for 2" stock and above.
 
We rip 1/4 to 2” RSWO and hard maple stock with the Leitz/Harvey rip blade, it leaves a glue line rip unless the material is not fed evenly.

Tom
 
ironchefboyardee said:
I'll be cutting mostly white oak, anywhere from 1/2" to 1-1/2". So that doesn't help make a decision.

If you are considering the Forrest blades, suggest you give them a call on Monday and see what they suggest.  I have found them helpful in the past.

Bob
 
Whole books can be written on tablesaw blade selection, as there are many factors operating together and what's important to you may be different than what's important to other people. Here are some of my thoughts:

• The primary reason why "rip blades" have fewer teeth is to enable faster feed rates.
• The way those "kickback shoulders" work is to prevent you from feeding the workpiece too quickly.  Literally, as the shoulder doesn't cut wood so you just can't push it too far before the shoulder gets in there and stops your feed until the next tooth comes over and cuts a bit of wood away.
• Burning is caused by teeth rubbing against previously cut wood. There are several potential causes of this, from misaligned saws to dirty blades to blades with wobble to not being to keep the wood tight against the rip fence to the wood itself releasing stresses that cause the wood to change shape as you cut it. Feeding too slowly aggravates the problem, but is not the primary cause and usually requires something else to be at play.
• The "ole standby" for 10" tablesaws is the Forrest 40T Woodworking II blade:https://www.forrestblades.com/woodworker-ii-all-purpose-saw-blade-for-table-saws/ They say to choose the 30Tooth version if you're mostly cutting 2" or thicker woods.

If you're getting burning, there are several steps you can take to diagnose the problem. Here are some:
• First, just try raising the blade so that it sticks up more than ½" above your workpiece. Yeah, I know the standard advice is to keep the saw blade just ⅛" above the workpiece, but that's for safety reasons only. If you're using a splitter and guard and push sticks, that low a blade keeps too many teeth in the cut kerf for too long and if everything isn't perfect can lead to burning. Raising the blade so that at the top the full tooth is above the workpiece helps a lot with burning (teeth don't spend as long in the kerf) and also means easier feeding.
• Second, are you using featherboards and a splitter? Featherboards keep the stock against the rip fence so it doesn't move a tiny bit away, causing the back teeth to rub and burn. A splitter can help with that, too, if it's thick enough.
• Third, if you're still getting burning, try to watch the stock get burned as you're feeding it. This requires a clear guard (or no guard, which can be dangerous). But, see if the stock is burning from the "back teeth" or not. Back teeth refers to the teeth coming UP from the table that should be riding inside the previously cut kerf and not doing any cutting. But, they can rub in that kerf and cause burning. If this is happening, they you may have a mis-aligned rip fence. If you're getting burning at the top of the stock, then you didn't raise the blade enough (and may still have alignment or saw blade quality issues).
• Fourth, as mentioned above, check the alignment of your rip fence. Maybe even have the rip fence at the rear of the saw be slightly away from the blade just to be sure.
• Finally, it is possible, but not necessarily likely, that changing the blade will solve your burning problems by itself.

Anyway, get a good 40 tooth ATB blade and if you get burning with that, then look elsewhere for your burning solution.

 
Glue line rip is not the same as machine marks free. I can joint boards with the WWII 30T cuts but they aren't good enough as final edges.
 
That's really helpful input all around. I'm going to consider the Harvey, WWII, and the Freud general purpose 40t. I just found that Forrest will resharpen any manufactures blade which is good to know.

[member=57948]ChuckS[/member] thanks for pointing out the incompatibility. There's a good chance I would have gone with the Freud rip blade without ever realizing it was making the setup less safe.

[member=77266]smorgasbord[/member] that's a great point that it may not be the blade. I haven't been using a featherboard but I will give that a try as well as raising the blade up beyond 1/8". Sometimes these communal blades are obviously dull, so even if I have other issues going on, hopefully it improves with a sharp blade.
 
ironchefboyardee said:
I'll be cutting mostly white oak, anywhere from 1/2" to 1-1/2". So that doesn't help make a decision.

I'm mostly done with a kitchen project where I used 3/4 and 6/4 white oak. I used both 20T and 40T WWII blades with the 40T having a predictably cleaner cut. As mentioned above, the 20T will probably excel when the material exceeds 2" or more.

Regarding the anti-kickback shoulders, here's Trent Davis' thoughts on the topic:

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