help me pick the right sander

bonesbr549

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I've about succumed to data overload on festool sanders.  I'm looking for the first festool sander to replace my PC orbital with pretty lowsy dc.  Let me set the stage first.  I'm a hobbyist who makes furniture not a professional who goes to job sites or runs my tools 8hrs a day.  However since acquiring my Ct33e and domino,kapex, and of1400, dust collection has drove me to replace most of my otherbrand tools with festool.  My application is furniture sanding both rough finish and polishing capabilities.  Which is the best.  I'm leaning to the Rotex 150 but feel it may be to big for my purpose.  On the opposite side I'm afraid that one of the smaller ones would be a dissapointment if I bought it.  I've looked at the specs side by side but just can't see what the differences mean.  For those of you who have ventured down this path, which did you go with and what were the experieces? 
 
When I bought my first Festool sander (to replace an unbranded 125mm RO sander), it came down to cost. I'd convinced myself I wanted a Rotex 150, but I really couldn't stretch to it at the time.

So, it came to a toss-up between the 125 Rotex, and the ETS150 (thereby sacrificing either power or size). I went to my dealer who kindly lent me his demo Rotex 125, and I played with it over the weekend and was very impressed. I went back, and then tried the ETS150 in the store. It seemed more refined - not as much power, but easy to use one-handed.

In the end I bought an ETS150/3, and I've used it an awful lot since - I love it.

In my job (solid surface worktops), I now have 3 rotex 150's to choose from, but 9 times out of 10 I pick up my own ETS. The only time I use the Rotex is if I'm doing a demo, or if I need the geared action for high-gloss polishing.

For your application, unless you need to do VERY heavy sanding over large areas, I'd say the ETS150 would be best.

PS - Since then, I've added a DTS400 for areas the ETS won't get into, and the combination is great!

Hope that helps!!!
 
Either the ETS150 or the Rotex 150.   I have both.  I think the Rotex is more versatile.  If you need to even up some glued up boards, the Rotex will do in 10 minutes what the ETS would do in an hour.  And the Rotex will sand in random orbital mode much like the ETS, although not as effortlessly.  Like you, I thought the Rotex would be too heavy.  But I feel it's neither too heavy nor too cumbersome.  There is a short learning curve with it.
But alas, Festool sanders are like peanuts, you can't stop at just one.  I think whichever one you get, you're going to want the other.  I agree with Johnny Round Boy,  I reach for the ETS more than the Rotex.  I only go for the Rotex when I Have some rough sanding to do.  It works better than a belt sander.  But the ETS is silky smooth and it makes sanding pleasurable. 
If you're getting just one, get the Rotex.  But keep your eye on the ETS for later.
 
I have the Rotex 125.  While it seems to work well, it works smoothest in the orbital mode at the highest speed.  I am also a hobbyist and don't use it everyday.  If I did, I might get it to work better all the time.  The 150 just seemed too big for me.  I also have a PC 6" that I like and has excellent dust collection.

You may not need it now, but I would also suggest that you consider the LS130.  I is not as aggressive as what you are considering but the different profiles give you the opportunity to sand round legs, get into corners and sand flats as well.

Neill
 
I am a hobbyist also and I have the Rotex 125.  I was thinking the 150 was to big and expensive for me at the time.

I have used the 125 and still is a brute machine (in the good sense), it will give you a good workout working in the dual mode (I forget how it is called the non random orbital mode).  Some times when I am working in large material I sometimes think about the 150 but I bought a Bosch 1293D 1/2 sheet which is the equivalent for festool Rs 2 E to work large areas.

The 125 is good enough for a hobbyist in my opinion.

Now, I am turning into a neanderthal and using hand planes.  You must see the final texture after hand planing, it is superior that any sand paper and you don't have to worry about dust collection.  It is smooth as glass, even it shines with the right light.  Give it a try some time, Not being a pro, you have the luxury to try different methods, because you can spend more time experimenting than a pro.  For pro time is money, for me time is learning and enjoying.

Well, what I am trying to say is that you won't go wrong with the Rotex 125, but you will need something else for delicate work.
 
both machines are good, it simply is down to the size and power you need

on site the 150 gets more use

in the workshop (which may equate better to your usage) i use the 125 more often

 
If I read your post correctly, bones, you are looking for a sander to go from rough wood to polished. Either Rotex is great for that because they both have a gear-driven orbital mode AND a random orbital mode. The gear-driven mode is great for material removal on high speed and polishing on low speed. The random orbital mode is great for finish sanding, you just let the sander float. In the gear-driven mode, you can "encourage" the sander because it's gear driven. The 150 has about 1-1/2 times the area and power so it will finish large surfaces faster.

The ETS is strictly a random orbital sander and is great for finish sanding.

You can also use the Rotex sanders for things like polishing cars and solid surface.

Tom
 
I have a home-based shop.  I used Porter Cable and Dewalt 5" ROS for a long time before I started buying Festool products several years ago.  My first Festool sander was the ETS150/3.  It is the sander I still use most often.  I added a Rotex 150 next.  Everything you hear about this sander is true in my experience.  It is both aggressive and a good finish sander, although the 5mm orbit is not as fine as the 3 mm orbit on the ETS150/3.  I operate the Rotex 150 with two hands, while I can easily operate the ETS150/3 one-handed.  The third Festool sander I bought was a DTS400 for small surfaces and hard-to-reach areas.  Based on my experience, start with the ETS150/3.  The increased surface area with the 6" sanders speeds the task.  You can buy partial packs of sandpaper from lots of dealers.
 
I have all of the Festool sanders being discussed above and several other brands and types, too.  I am also an amateur/hobbyist DIYer.  I bought my RO 125 and ETS 125, Deltex 93, and LS 130 before I won an ETS 150/3.  I did so because at the times of those earlier purchases most of my projects involved sanding old wooden trim around the doors, windows and baseboards of my house, and the doors themselves.  So smaller, lighter sanders were preferred.  But when working in my shop making furniture, the ETS 150/3 has become my "go to" sander for most projects, unless its size is simply too large to fit.  I especially like the ETS sanders for flush sanding stiles/rails joints of cabinet doors.  The ETS 150/3 with a hard sanding pad excels at getting such joints flush without gouging or rounding off the edges.  You can do this work faster with an RO sander in its Rotex mode, but it requires a careful experience hand to avoid carving away more than you intended.  The LS 130 has become my second most used "go to" sander because its linear action and variety of pads allow it to be used for a wide variety of delicate operations, e.g when you are flush sanding a strip of hardwood edging glued on to commercial veneered plywood where being overly aggressive will quickly cut through the veneer which is often much less than 1/40 inch thickness in the sanded plywood as delivered.  The RO 125 sees more duty polishing and waxing my cars than in woodworking, unless I need to hog off some wood, but not so much as to pull out my old Bosch 4" x 24" belt sander which is far more aggressive, but also far harder to control.

In sum, I agree with Daviddubya, unless you think you will never buy another sander, in which case I recommend an RO 125 or RO 150.  The latter is more veersatile because a wider range of supplies and accessories are offered for it.  But I bet you cannot buy just one; you'll eventually want another  better suited to the work you plan to do.

Dave R.
 
Thanks to all for the insights!  I have decided that I will be going with the ETS 150/3.  I think it fits the needs right now.  I'm sure later the RO 150 will be added.  Thanks again, and thanks for sharing. Have a good one!
 
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