Help me understand this whole systainer/sysport thing

Sanderxpander said:
I use my CTL Midi as "wheeled base" since I need it whenever I work anyway. If you store it near the other tools you can just snap everything you need on there and wheel that out. Works for me at least.

It would work for me as well, save that the top of my vacuum is taken up by the Oneida Ultimate Dust Deputy --- I really wish that the top were designed so as to allow one to store accessories and additional Systainers on top of the latter.

FWIW, I decided to try out a less expensive system as a trial (Husky 22" Connect Rolling System Tool Box and Husky 1.8 ft. x 3 ft. Portable Jobsite Workbench) and it's off to a slow start --- having trouble sorting out which tool goes into which box, though it did let me clear out my joiner's chest --- I'm hoping for a weekend of clear cool weather where I can lay all my tools out on the back deck and sort through things systematically and just do it. I also need to work up a way to connect the workbench to the rolling system when collapsed and possibly when working.

Tempted by the idea of just making a vertical wall-hanging tool cabinet à la Studley and putting all of my nicer tools in it in the living room.
 
Yes, saw that, and it's what's making me want to connect the portable workbench to the rolling system. Hopefully I can work something up this weekend.
 
DeformedTree said:
The systainers were a pleasant surprise when I discovered Festool.  My dream is for a global ISO standard for a system of small containers/totes.  So far the world hasn't standardized a container smaller than a 20 foot conex.

As it is, what Festool has is the closest thing to getting it right. I own a lot of power tools, but the problem is of course with other brands you either don't get any case (really bad), or as is often the case they make a different case for every tool, everyone a different size and shape.  I'm sure many folks have the random pile of Milwaukee tool blow molded cases piled in the corner always wanting to fall over.  And then the random pile of all the tools that never had a case, or the really sad cardboard box, maybe a bunch of the insanely pointless canvases bag (seriously, why not just cut to the chase and have them connect as a filter bag in a shop vac so they are useful).  I have most my life stored in rubber totes because of moving around. It's nice, just move stuff around with hand trucks, but they are not a good answer.  Lots of various tools, materials, etc get stored in Bins in a shelf system, not a great solution either.  Having everything in something like the festool systainers is the much better solution.  Biggest issue with converting tools over to them would be the cases they came with, can't throw them out as now that sucks if you go to sell them, yet they take up space and don't stack nice.

I would agree that they aren't going to be the fastest answer, but when you need to keep everything stored away, because either you go to a jobsite, or like me, you move around a lot, you have small shop space, you have a house under construction for years, etc.  Having a way to put everything away nicely that stacks nicely, or can have nice standardized cabinetry built for it is great.  Moving is so much easier when you keep all your belongings in totes/containers and just point to movers and they move it.  Also as people mentioned being able to put the tools away from dust and everything else is nice.  Means tearing tools down for maintenance cleaning less often.  Not having accessories scattered around with no home. Having a place for accessories in the case with the tool.  The key to managing small spaces is storage. A Systainer may seam big or wasteful, but it's actually a very efficient way to do it.  Shelves with scattered and tangled tools take up more room,  random sized cases package less efficiently than standard module based cases. People don't need bigger houses or garages, they need better planned storage.

Such cases also cause manufactures to think thru the design a little bit.  Try harder to fit into the same size case as the other stuff.  Some stuff will never happen,  I love that my Bosch table saw basically packs up into a cube. If they made a form fit case it dropped into, even better.  I would love to see a 12" compound miter saw that could do the same.

I have too many tools that lay around with no good way to store them.  I grew up with tools jammed under the workbench getting covered in everything in the garage, I don't want that again.

They could certainly make a better container, but even a less ideal container that is standardized is better than chaos.

Pretty sure if someone with a vacuum former started making plastic inserts for systainers for Milwaukee, Bosch, Dewalt tools they would have no problem selling them to folks.

That exactly. Rather a few stacks of Systainers than the "random form" cases that too many others have. I am now looking to buy a hammer drill, but only Hitachi sells one in Systainer..
My heatgun (Metabo) came without case. If you just let it linger around and let it get full of dust... it will stink when you use it. So I bought a Metabo Systainer for it.

Some inserts are already available. Like for Fein Multimaster. But they sometimes sell it already in Systainer.

The older systainers take forever to connect to each other though. Especially in cold weather with cold fingers..
 
Ripit said:
I just don’t get why one would store their tools in the systainers unless you were one that worked on a jobsite or shop to job site, am I missing something?

I have about 15 of these things and I have never used the systainers. I have been using festool since around 2003 and was trained in traditional furniture making and also did quite a bit of commercial and residential cabinetmaking I mostly always worked in my shop so I had all the tools out and ready to go.
I definitely think that less used tools could stay in the systainer but the saw,routers, sanders and drills i like on a custom built shelf ready to go.

So now fast forward 15 yrs (now in software engineering - go figure) and I am rebuilding my garage shop and as much as I like the idea of the whole diy sysport thing I just can’t wrap my head around it for a few reasons...

1. It’s plasticy, (interestingly enough I work in the Plastic Injection Molding industry - go figure again...) I get it, it’s easy all you have to do is make a platform put some slides on it... but a wood drawer feels so much better...
2. You have to pull out the systainer then open the lid, wood drawer u just open it
3. Most tools are poorly organized with the supplied - wait for it....plastic insert. Ya u can build custom inserts but u can do that in a wood drawer and it’s simpler.
4. I am sure I could complain more but I won’t

Not trying to be negative but I just don’t get it and I want to see If I am missing an opportunity here before I start building out the shop.
Hey Ripit, when my first Festool tool arrived on my doorstep I thought why are these tools delivered in these funky plastic boxes.  I took the tool out of the systainer and put the tool on the shelf with all my power tools (now; mostly Festool).  When I finally got around to actually using the tool for the fist time I noticed the tool was full of dust and cobwebs.  Then the light went off; Wow, maybe those systainers would keep my tools clean and organized.  Now I have 15 systainers stacked on shelves - some systainers are used to store NON-FESTOOL tools.  I love those darn things
 
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