Holy crap Batman


So you're saying I should mill up the 30"-dia ash and 24"-dia maple that are lying in my backyard and just patiently air dry them to maximize my profits? ;)

It's not a comfortable time to be a consumer; regardless of the sticker shock of price increases, it's hard to hear "I can only guarantee this price for the next week, the final bill will likely be much higher after all of the work is done."

I completely understand it, but it doesn't make it any more comfortable to hear.
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YES!! Get one of those portable saw mills to come in.  I cut 37 ash trees a few years ago in my back yard while the Emerald Ash Borer rolled through.  I got tired of cutting up firewood that I cannot burn, and ended up buying an Alaskan Chainsaw jig and started cutting out 8*8" and 8*10" beams out and have an post and beam project I want to try.  The Alaska Chainsaw method is hard-you are basically sawing walking on your knees all day. 

I year later I had a big sugar maple die, and had a walnut I cut that was leaning toward the house.  I decided to have a portable sawmill come in.  With set-up, he cut five logs up for me in 4 hours and charged me $250 (he had a helper).  I thought that was cheap.  However, I did not have the spacer boards made yet, and left the maple stacked in a neat pile (in the August sun).  A week later, when stacked the pile with spacers, I found I had a lot of mold growing on the maple.  Walnut was pretty much ok.  I threw a lot of bleach on it then properly stacked it in a barn.  So have your spacers ready before hand!

So YES! check out the portable sawmill way, and have your spacer boards ready to go.  It is fun and made sawing look so easy, after using my chainsaw method.  You can get some nice live edge wood this way and have it cut in 4/4, 6/4, 8/4 whatever you want.  Borrow a Cant and see if you can roll those logs like the pioneers did. You need a nice flat area because saw pretty much has to be set level and is rather long.  If the Ash is dead, watch the top as they tend to snap off-so if you rope it have a 2nd rope tied lower.    Have fun and don't kill yourself!
 
Jeff Zanin said:
A couple of weks ago I bought 4x8x18mm GIS plywood, it was C$87 per sheet  [crying]  Thankfully I only needed three sheets.

It was the only suitable material available at my local HD, and it was stamped "Made in Chile" which may have explained some of the $87.

Nothing wrong with Chile but this is Canada, I would have thought if nothing else we could produce our own plywood.  Apparently not.

I know that product.  Before-times price was roughly $60cdn so not too big of a jump considering ACX pine.  We don't have Pinus radiata here.  We produce spruce (CSP) ply, and fir ply.  Our pine is used as inner ply to CSP and other in finished boards and siding.  Columbia does produce veneers of clear white pine and a VC ply but that's typically special order since its not an economical product for that species.
 
This was a week ago at HD.

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I found it really strange in a good way that I’m building some cabinets and 1/2 & 3/4 birch, Maple, Red Oak & Poplar are $55 & $56(after 11% discount) for Plywood and standard construction is $65?. Bought it yesterday .
 
I want to send this to my insurance adjuster as a way of reminding him that every week he pushes back against the contractors on their scope of work, the scope of work he's willing to cover increases as much or more than the extra 10-15 square feet of work that the contractors bid over the estimate.

Also, I need to look at timber prices again; I'm hoping my pergola project won't need to wait until another season when prices aren't completely insane.
 
This happened not that long ago.  First Real estate shot up to record levels. Then building materials went crazy (I remember 7/16 OSB getting to around $25 a sheet) then a couple years later it went to complete S#!*.  I was building my house then but luckily I was 6 months or so ahead of the curve.  Not so lucky this time as we were planning a second home in the keys but these price increases have hit the breaks on that.  I know the situation is different now but I dont see these prices being sustainable long term.  Eventually, these higher prices will start affecting spending.  I feel like we are one straw away from breaking the proverbial camels back.  Gas prices, food prices, interest rates.  We are also coming up on hurricane season if its a bad year plywood is going to go nuts.  Crossing fingers for quiet year. 
 
Wow you guys in NJ are worse off than us. $72 for a sheet of plywood. That makes a new subfloor in an addition pretty pricey.
As an update a 2x4x8 was up to $7.25 on Sunday at HD, up from $6.55 I originally posted not that long ago.
I agree this has to burn out. These prices can't continue.
The housing market around here is brutal. 2, 5, 13 back up offers on almost every deal. Buyers are paying top dollar and beyond. When the income stops coming in, the foreclosures will start all over.
On the bright side, the commercial market should come back over the next year so that might provide some stability.
 
Holzhacker said:
The housing market around here is brutal. 2, 5, 13 back up offers on almost every deal. Buyers are paying top dollar and beyond. When the income stops coming in, the foreclosures will start all over.

Some friends of ours have a second baby on the way and are looking for a new house.  Everyone's releasing contingencies in their offers, including inspections and appraisals; if the appraisal comes back low, they're on the hook for the overage in cash, not the bank.

I'm happy we bought our "forever" home about 18 months ago, and about 5% under market price at the time.
 
Same exact type of stuff happened in 2005. Im just sitting back and  [popcorn]
 
Even at these high prices does not mean it is in stock.  My water heater sprung a leak and I ordered one in March.  It just came in May 3rd at a big box store.  I have some car brake parts ordered longer than that and still not in.  I would hate to be building a house expecting everything would be available when I need it.  Pray a computer chip does not go out of your car-you might be waiting six months.  A local manufacturer is parking semi trucks (Kenworths) waiting for parts.  I hear they have rented the fairground and plan to park 2000 trucks there.  Don't worry about price-worry about availability!
 
afish said:
This happened not that long ago.  First Real estate shot up to record levels. Then building materials went crazy (I remember 7/16 OSB getting to around $25 a sheet) then a couple years later it went to complete S#!*.  I was building my house then but luckily I was 6 months or so ahead of the curve.  Not so lucky this time as we were planning a second home in the keys but these price increases have hit the breaks on that.  I know the situation is different now but I dont see these prices being sustainable long term.  Eventually, these higher prices will start affecting spending.  I feel like we are one straw away from breaking the proverbial camels back.  Gas prices, food prices, interest rates.  We are also coming up on hurricane season if its a bad year plywood is going to go nuts.  Crossing fingers for quiet year. 
In Florida I would build ICF. You can build a bunker house! No bug issues, super insulated, hurricane proof, with quality storm shutters, and it would be more secure as a secondary home. Very little wood would be needed, but the question is what is the cost of concrete? It's high, but how high in Florida?
 
I used to build with icf's back in michigan. Total icf fan here. there is still alot of wood involved in forming. down there everything is elevated
 
I just bought two sheets of plywood tonight from HD for my MFT cart build that I'm about to start.

I went in yesterday evening to price sheets and they had Birch 3/4" 4x8 sheets at about $70 a sheet. They had about 20 sheets. I went there tonight and all the Birch was gone. Next to Birch spot was a stack of Maple 3/4" sheets. I didn't see a price but I decided I might as well get some even though I expected it to be more pricey than the Birch.  Pay the higher price and get some wood vs waiting. I was wrong - the Maple ply clocked in a $60 a sheet which is about $4 more than what I used to see it at before the prices exploded.

CDX 3/4" full sheets were $86 a sheet.

It's a very very odd market.

So now I'm making my cart out of Maple ply - never expected that.

Fancy!
 
Hah, happy accidents.  It seems that the construction grade stuff is what is going nuts.  Yeah the Russian birch here went up a bit but there were already supply problems before all this as well plus a Russian embargo (or something like that) hurting the supply. Still, percentage-wise, the good stuff seems reasonably priced ($100) compared to the junk construction wood.

Oh and I went to another lumber yard the other day and asked for 3/4 CDX sheet price... $92! 

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I was able to get Maple plywood at Lowes last week. 3/4" was $58 for 4x8 and 1/2" was $54 (go figure). I had to go to four stores to find any on the shelf. It's made in Indonesia. They advertised as "virtually void free" but there are voids. All in all the face veneer was pretty nice on both sides. I had tried to buy some 3/4" and 1/2" Baltic Birch from Wurth (fairly large regional supplier in the southeast) but they said they were out of stock on both until July!
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