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Well, I have certainly done a terrible job of stating my opinion.  Let me try and simplify my position and see if it clears up any misunderstanding on what I was trying to communicate, in order to correct my own error, so to speak.

My stating the OP may have done himself in by announcing the wood clamp pricing error on a woodworking forum, was not meant to discourage others from seeking out bargains.  Or, for that matter telling others of their discoveries.  It was merely a response to his declaration that in regard to the concept of it being a pricing error;

"I don't believe them and will not do business with them in the future".

My point was, his promoting the discount created such a flood of orders, it would be impossible for any company who was not running a sale, to not wonder what was causing the sudden interest in their product.  The pricing would be the first thing to be examined.  Hence, by creating such immediate demand, he essentially "did himself in" (At this point, it is important to point out that I also responded to the OP's thread and placed orders for incorrectly priced clamps, which at the time, I assumed was an inventory reduction flash sale).  As it turns out, the pricing was a mistake.  The company ultimately discovered it's error and corrected the price, then canceled the orders made with the incorrect pricing.

When the OP told me in another post;

"Anyhow, if the business had honored it's listed price, then there would have been plenty of happy people".

My thinking was yes, but what about the business itself who would actually suffer a real, and not imaginary loss (which is what anyone who placed an order and received a cancellation suffered).

I also found it confusing the OP would make the declaration ;

"I thought the purpose of the forums was to share information and help each other out".

Yes, normally that is the purpose of a forum, but in this case, one needs to ask, "at who's expense?  I just find it inconsistent to fly the Forum Brotherhood Flag, while at the same time be willing to sacrifice the company that made the pricing error.

My final point is (and this is directed to the OP only) the basis for my now quoted statement;

"I am comfortable with my decision, and that is all that matters."

The difference between your position and mine on this matter, is that once I realized the pricing was an error, I proactively requested my order to be canceled because I personally don't believe it is right to take advantage of someone else's mistake, whereas you reacted with anger and condemnation for your imaginary loss, and were perfectly willing to let the company involved suffer a real one.
 
McNally - I totally understood what you were saying , so much that I didn't give it a second thought that you trying to dig at someone.

I thought the same thing about the timing of the O.P.  Guess some are just more street smart than others. [wink] I wouldn't have posted the screaming deal until I had stocked up on all I needed first.

You also brought up that uncomfortable topic most don't like discussing -ethics.

Let's suppose there's a curb alert sale N.Carolina and by mistake M. Baker's address was listed and people show up in his yard or open garage and start helping themselves to his stuff?  Suppose they tell 50 friends on their way over - and they all show up looking for the free stuff ???

Oops, sorry but I can't honor that ad.  Think the folks that show up will be unhappy ? Think they'll want to deal with you again ?  Will you even care ? 

Nope, they weren't your customer to begin with any more than the amazon outlet had a relationship with any of you deal hounds.    Quite whining and crying because someone decided not to give you the shirt off their back.  If you feel strongly that they were in breach of contract, sue them.

Otherwise , you sound petty because you've not been harmed.
 
antss said:
McNally - I totally understood what you were saying , so much that I didn't give it a second thought that you trying to dig at someone.

I thought the same thing about the timing of the O.P.  Guess some are just more street smart than others. [wink] I wouldn't have posted the screaming deal until I had stocked up on all I needed first.

You also brought up that uncomfortable topic most don't like discussing -ethics.

Let's suppose there's a curb alert sale N.Carolina and by mistake M. Baker's address was listed and people show up in his yard or open garage and start helping themselves to his stuff?  Suppose they tell 50 friends on their way over - and they all show up looking for the free stuff ???

Oops, sorry but I can't honor that ad.  Think the folks that show up will be unhappy ? Think they'll want to deal with you again ?  Will you even care ? 

Nope, they weren't your customer to begin with any more than the amazon outlet had a relationship with any of you deal hounds.    Quite whining and crying because someone decided not to give you the shirt off their back.  If you feel strongly that they were in breach of contract, sue them.

Otherwise , you sound petty because you've not been harmed.

So let me get this right, you would have "stocked up on all [you] needed" before you shared the "screaming deal" with your fellow forum members? And you want to talk to me about ethics? Interesting.

As for people showing up at my home, obviously it is just that . . . a home. I am not in business of any kind so there would be no confusion. Right? Perhaps that was just a poor analogy on your part?

As for the third party selling via Amazon, everyone with Internet access is that business' potential customer. If they are ok with how it went down, then that is on them. As for suing them, no one involved in the attempted purchase can sue. That is because of the nature of their advertisement . . . it did not identify a specific offeree. Therefore, everyone that attempted to make the purchase was in fact making an offer. It was up to the vendor to accept the offer and the vendor chose not to. Therefore, you do not have the three elements of a contract: 1) offer, 2) acceptance, and 3) consideration. Thus, there is nothing to sue over. It's basic 1L law school.

However, annoyed parties (kinda like me) can take their duckets elsewhere to conduct business. I'm not so sure why that is such a tough thing to swallow for you and McNally Family. As for this OP, I will continue to share Hot Buys with forum members; you may choose to participate or lambaste me. I guess the choice is yours.
 
rbaker36 said:
So let me get this right, you would have "stocked up on all [you] needed" before you shared the "screaming deal" with your fellow forum members? And you want to talk to me about ethics? Interesting.

Oops.  [popcorn]
 
Hey Guys,

Please let's not make this out to be something more than what it was which was a Member sharing a link to a deal he found out on the web that turned out to be a a pricing mistake.

Criticizing accomplishes nothing other than to curb the possibilities of others posting found internet deals in the future.

Peter
 
If I were in fact looking to be unethical, yes, I would have ordered and received the clamps before telling you guys of the insane pricing.

But , I did neither.  I didn't even attempt to order or offer after seeing the posting.

The analogy was to show you that mistakes can happen through no fault of yours.  People will still be pissed at you , and you won't care. Why should you, they'd just be harming you financially.  And you wouldn't care if they came back when and if you ever did have a curb alert or yard sale of your own.  - Just like the seller probably doesn't care if you buy from him in the future either.  Not everyone is a customer.  And if you're the type customer that's only interested in the lowest price, it's easy to capture your attention - and easy to lose that business.  That's just a faceless numbers game and there are plenty of punters out there.  Businesses have choices too , just like consumers.

I'm pretty well versed in contracts.  You'll note I said "if you felt they were in breach , sue."  I didn't say that they were in breach, or that your case would make it to the docket.  But you could still file even if there was no actionable issue.  Might make you feel better.

I am 100% for voting with your wallet , and mine for that matter.  It just seemed some were a bit too incredulous about a guy not wanting to lose $50 + on every item ordered just so a bunch of internet strangers and first time ( prob. only time) customers could gush on social media about stellar customer service or whata great deal I got".  Businesses don't need or want one time customers like that .

 
 
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